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27-08-2018, 12:28 AM
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Master
Join Date: Sep 2017
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Originally Posted by running
outer until it becomes inner. jesus or anything else. outer then inner.
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I think one can go round and round about this, hence I subscribe to the ‘holy’ definition: “blurry” or “ambiguous” if you like.
(The ambiguous ness of inner and outer).
Because - in order to recognize the (sacred ness of the) ‘outer’, there has to be something already 'within' - for you to do so.
If you/we end up in a non-dual space, ‘who’ came first becomes redundant at that point, me thinks.
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27-08-2018, 01:51 PM
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Master
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,731
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Originally Posted by django
No one can "take away your sins," it's claiming too much. Your karma is your karma, for you to figure out, and anyway the highest guru is the guru within.
The most true guru would be trying to connect you only with your guru within, or at least supplying you with the tools to do it yourself, not directly taking away your sins - as if this were even possible.
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Your sins is what is referred to as obstructions, your issues and fears.
What a guru can do is provide the space which can be felt as silence and energy to help you let go of the issues.
The greater the trust in the guru, the faster the process.
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27-08-2018, 02:03 PM
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Master
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Originally Posted by sentient
I think one can go round and round about this, hence I subscribe to the ‘holy’ definition: “blurry” or “ambiguous” if you like.
(The ambiguousness of inner and outer).
Because - in order to recognize the (sacredness of the) ‘outer’, there has to be something already 'within' - for you to do so.
If you/we end up in a non-dual space, ‘who’ came first becomes redundant at that point, me thinks.
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To me what running is referring to is a form of deity yoga.
Connecting to divine beings can be powerful. One can feel such a connection and it may feel like it is from outside of you.
Beyond a connection is a merge, being one with. You are that, yet at the same time some beings are bigger than others and even with that oneness it can be noticed. Think of it kind of like nesting dolls. You are one up to your size or level of clarity.
That is with Divine beings. For most people it is more like they are inside you already and you are just helping them notice it with intent from the guru or with just thinking of the guru can provide a powerful connection.
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