So, God wants us to be perfect, right?

[Lightseer]

All religions and belief systems tell us that God wants us to be perfect. That we are basically faulty and need to strive to get fixed. This is interestingly the only area where all beliefs meet, whether it is a Catholic, New Age witch, occultist or whatever, all say 'God' wants us to make ourselves perfect, find our so called higher self or something similar. Even Satanists strive to be the perfect person, as they see it. It is basically all the same thing in different wrapping.

It goes like this...

1.You are inferior to higher beings, higher self or god or God.
2. You have to become the acceptable version of perfect (for your particular belief system) to *ascend* (aka be accepted by the beings *higher* than you.

But what if that is wrong?

What if we should be striving to be imperfect? (I don't mean the 'soft' approach to spirituality).

[Compendium]

In my opinion it is wrong because we are all a part of God/Source/Creator therefor we are already perfect. We are simply here to be happy and have experiances. He made this creation for us to enjoy except some seem to have forgotten this along the way. In my opinion mass religion was created as a form of control.

[Lightseer]

Originally Posted by Compendium

In my opinion it is wrong because we are all a part of God/Source/Creator therefor we are already perfect. We are simply here to be happy and have experiances. He made this creation for us to enjoy except some seem to have forgotten this along the way. In my opinion mass religion was created as a form of control.

To be perfect means to be without fault and correct in every way, so how could we be perfect already? Although you could be right if you are saying God has faults and flaws.

It certainly looks that way about religion doesn't it. Either that or it came out of something else and got corrupted.

[Shivani Devi]

Many will know perfection, few will experience it.

It is said by some that we already 'are' that, or there is nowhere to 'go' and nothing to 'do' and that is fine... provided one already has achieved the awareness of that...had that experience.

For those new to the path (that goes nowhere) or if you are speaking with somebody who is very lazy, greedy, depressed, angry, hurtful, wicked etc and say "you don't need to do anything or go anywhere because you are already perfect as you are" they may say "goody...I thought about becoming a better person, evolving spiritually, improving my life, serving others, attaining liberation etc, but seeing as how I already AM that, and there is nothing to do, nowhere to go, nothing to achieve, do or try because I am already perfect as I am, being a lazy, angry, hurtful, boastful, lying, gluttonous, selfish, axe murderer, why bother with any of this "spiritual stuff" then? That's cool, another thing I can cross off my bucket list..

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

...I thought about becoming a better person, evolving spiritually, improving my life, serving others, attaining liberation etc, but seeing as how I already AM that, and there is nothing to do, nowhere to go, nothing to achieve, do or try because I am already perfect as I am, being a lazy, angry, hurtful, boastful, lying, gluttonous, selfish, axe murderer, why bother with any of this "spiritual stuff" then? That's cool, another thing I can cross off my bucket list..

lol, exactly, this I AM already perfect as I AM is a dangerous game to play that will only end one way . This dangerous game is the same game that one play's when they say there is 'no-one here' that can be perfect or not .

It is such a weird mix of ignorance and denial that leaves one in a fantasy world . A self that is estranged from how things are .


x daz x

[Busby]

In my book this thing called 'god' isn't interested in anyone, whether person, animal, plant or mineral being 'perfect'. He/She/It doesn't care if you eat pork, don't wear a hat in church, have a degree in divination or quote verses from the Bible.
Let's call him/her/it 'O' for simplicity.
O is a part of this thing we call (but have not yet understood) evolution. All evolution needs to move along is experience(s) sufficient to get things moving and changing. Basically O has set up a cause and effect system. This cause and effect system plays out all over the universe, creates suns, pushes planets away, pulls them together - and so on. The universe- as is life - is both chaos and order. In life the same rules apply as do any rules on another maybe far away planet.
At some time the planet Earth because of its to that moment total of experiences created/developed/discovered consciousness - according to nature's laws - the ones set by O.
We as well as everything else is/are here to add to the total experience of our planet which is in a solar system in a galaxy in a total of two trillion galaxies which we call the universe.

I'm not going further at this moment, but look at the things around you and see.

[Lightseer]

Originally Posted by Busby

In my book this thing called 'god' isn't interested in anyone, whether person, animal, plant or mineral being 'perfect'. He/She/It doesn't care if you eat pork, don't wear a hat in church, have a degree in divination or quote verses from the Bible.
Let's call him/her/it 'O' for simplicity.
O is a part of this thing we call (but have not yet understood) evolution. All evolution needs to move along is experience(s) sufficient to get things moving and changing. Basically O has set up a cause and effect system. This cause and effect system plays out all over the universe, creates suns, pushes planets away, pulls them together - and so on. The universe- as is life - is both chaos and order. In life the same rules apply as do any rules on another maybe far away planet.
At some time the planet Earth because of its to that moment total of experiences created/developed/discovered consciousness - according to nature's laws - the ones set by O.
We as well as everything else is/are here to add to the total experience of our planet which is in a solar system in a galaxy in a total of two trillion galaxies which we call the universe.

I'm not going further at this moment, but look at the things around you and see.

But are you sure this God you mention has 'set up' anything the way you suggest? It sounds a bit like the test theory, that we are being tested all the time to make the right decisions and if only we could figure out the rules we would have a better time of it.

There are lots of examples of the lack of a cause and effect in the universe, even scientific studies showing people can change the past.

How do we know cause and effect isn't an illusion? The mind just compensating for a fear of chaos, or something else?

Look at how many things you do in your life that never turn out the way you tried to cause, that happens to everyone.

[Lightseer]

Originally Posted by God-Like

lol, exactly, this I AM already perfect as I AM is a dangerous game to play that will only end one way . This dangerous game is the same game that one play's when they say there is 'no-one here' that can be perfect or not .

It is such a weird mix of ignorance and denial that leaves one in a fantasy world . A self that is estranged from how things are .


x daz x

Interesting username for someone who says we have to become a better version to reach God, by 'Like' God I assume you mean you are part way there.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Lightseer

Interesting username for someone who says we have to become a better version to reach God, by 'Like' God I assume you mean you are part way there.

I didn't say anything about having to become a better anything to reach God .

I said it's a dangerous game to play the I AM perfect as I AM card .

The perfect as I AM card that is played through ignorance .

Some peeps bury their head in the sand and never look at themselves due to the fantasised philosophies around today ..

Some read that there is no self here or no self to find, so never do anything on the back of it ..

What good will that do the peep that is getting eaten away inside because of past actions?

What good will it do the selfish peep to say they are perfect as they are?



x daz x

[Lightseer]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Many will know perfection, few will experience it.

It is said by some that we already 'are' that, or there is nowhere to 'go' and nothing to 'do' and that is fine... provided one already has achieved the awareness of that...had that experience.

For those new to the path (that goes nowhere) or if you are speaking with somebody who is very lazy, greedy, depressed, angry, hurtful, wicked etc and say "you don't need to do anything or go anywhere because you are already perfect as you are" they may say "goody...I thought about becoming a better person, evolving spiritually, improving my life, serving others, attaining liberation etc, but seeing as how I already AM that, and there is nothing to do, nowhere to go, nothing to achieve, do or try because I am already perfect as I am, being a lazy, angry, hurtful, boastful, lying, gluttonous, selfish, axe murderer, why bother with any of this "spiritual stuff" then? That's cool, another thing I can cross off my bucket list..

But that is still buying into the idea that we all have to become a perfect version of ourselves somehow, but why should we? Why would that be necessary to reach spiritual heights or God, whichever suits your flavour of religion or belief that is.