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[organic born]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

that is the problem - I used to think I knew what was better. I eventually got disabused of that notion - things aren't at all what they seem as it turns out. I am very careful about what i reach for now.

But isn't this the great thing about age? We get a chance to play-out our idealism's and fantasies about life, in such a way that dissolves many of the unusable assumptions. What we're left with (had we fully applied ourselves) is more of a direct awareness as to how things tend to work, having burnt-off much of the more simplified froo froo.

While caution is natural and healthy it can also become a passive excuse to feel bad about the intimacy of all life that surrounds us. Such a stance does not lead us to wisdom, it only forms a kind of internal darkness that then leaves us sitting in one place.. which hopefully isn't what you're going though, you strike me as a person who deeply likes motion.. :)

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by organic born

But isn't this the great thing about age? We get a chance to play-out our idealism's and fantasies about life, in such a way that dissolves many of the unusable assumptions. What we're left with (had we fully applied ourselves) is more of a direct awareness as to how things tend to work, having burnt-off much of the more simplified froo froo.

While caution is natural and healthy it can also become a passive excuse to feel bad about the intimacy of all life that surrounds us. Such a stance does not lead us to wisdom, it only forms a kind of internal darkness that then leaves us sitting in one place.. which hopefully isn't what you're going though, you strike me as a person who deeply likes motion.. :)

I agree about sometimes passive acceptance being an excuse...

otoh you are right, I like motion... but if left alone it leads to the 'active' excuse of always preferring motion and never stopping to rest sigh... so it seems like anything can become a trap, if you start liking it too much... half the problem with our lives though is we each choose a pillow and then think one size fits all...

passive/active, left/right, we are just reinventing what was known before but giving it different names sigh.

anyway it is exhausting, trying to avoid all the traps. And then one day you find yourself driven to think that maybe trying to avoid all the traps is just another trap. So you start wondering if maybe you should start letting yourself be trapped? And so it moves on from one thing to the next...

[organic born]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

I agree about sometimes passive acceptance being an excuse...

otoh you are right, I like motion... but if left alone it leads to the 'active' excuse of always preferring motion and never stopping to rest sigh... so it seems like anything can become a trap, if you start liking it too much... half the problem with our lives though is we each choose a pillow and then think one size fits all...

passive/active, left/right, we are just reinventing what was known before but giving it different names sigh.

anyway it is exhausting, trying to avoid all the traps. And then one day you find yourself driven to think that maybe trying to avoid all the traps is just another trap. So you start wondering if maybe you should start letting yourself be trapped? And so it moves on from one thing to the next...

Hi FallingLeaves, I had our conversation in mind when I started the following thread;

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...74#post1588174

Come take a look.. :)

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by organic born

Hi FallingLeaves, I had our conversation in mind when I started the following thread;

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...74#post1588174

Come take a look.. :)

yeah i caught that. I've been following with interest. I've known nature has lots of stuff to teach for a while but haven't really gone for it yet. I'm studying something else right now. But I like the idea