Using awareness as a simile to represent the unimaginable

[wstein]

Originally Posted by enesbud

Let us simplify arguments about creation, unity, and awareness..

<1> If you want to be logical, there's no such thing as creation from nothing..
<2> There's a unified life energy that fills the cosmos.. It's eternal..
<3> All forms of life are transient incarnations of that basic life field..

These seem less like 'arguments' and more like unfounded assertions.

<1> There is nothing illogical about creating from nothing, that is the definition of the word 'creating'. True you might not like that being true or find it unreasonable, but neither of those is a basis for logic.
<2> There is no evidence for there being a uniform filed nor for it filling the cosmos. Current science suggests that the quantum field which probably fills the local portion of space-time (visible universe) is highly fluctuating.
<3> Just because all known Earth based life is transient, does not mean all life is transient. One can define life very narrowly as all forms that come from the 'basic life field'. Or, one can also be inclusive of other types of beings not of the type found very commonly on Earth.

[Glacier Serenade]

Originally Posted by wstein

These seem less like 'arguments' and more like unfounded assertions.

<1> There is nothing illogical about creating from nothing, that is the definition of the word 'creating'. True you might not like that being true or find it unreasonable, but neither of those is a basis for logic.

I disagree. Well, it would depend how literal one is being when they use the word "nothing". As far as I know, everything created has been created from something already existing (atoms, energy etc.) and I believe that reality has neither had a beginning nor end, also I am believing that reality was never created and therefore a "nothing" could not have existed before

[enesbud]

I agree with the statements made by Glacier Serenade..

They constitute the logical basis for scientific consistency..

On the other hand..

The statements made by wstein regarding the fundamental unified quantum field do not represent a true comprehension of that concept..

Whether the quantum field is locally fluctuating or not.. It is still a unified quantum field.. If you're hinting at the concepts of spacetime fluctuations in association with quantum gravity.. Theorists do not understand that field in a satisfactory manner..

The idea that beings elsewhere in the cosmos might be very different.. Why not? Here on earth, we've got millions of different living forms..

We're all different incarnations of the same unified spirit of life, whether here on earth, or in heaven.. I mean the cosmos..

We're all one.. All existence is one.. That's how we're eternal..

We are representatives of that unified spirit.. In spite of the fact that we argue with each other most of time.. That's how that great spirit becomes aware and more conscious of its immense and diversified local incarnations..