WHY do HINDUS NOT LOVE THEIR WORK

[OPVerma]

WHILE EUROPEANS have made great many inventions and discoveries, Hindus are conspicuous of not doing so. The reason is obvious they do not love their work.

For millions of years, Hindus were divided in four order based on their profession called as Varna Ashram. They were expected to play a fixed role. The Brahmins were expected to teach, Kchtriyas to fight, Vaishyas to trade, and Shudras to serve. The traditional work froze their mind and made them unfit for innovation. Those Hindus who had no aptitude for their prescribed profession were out casted. Generation after generation they did the repetitive work and lost interest in it.

Thanks to British who established Universities and introduced science like subjects creating various avenues for work. Instead of Varna Ashram most Hindus can now opt for a profession of their choice and interest. Those Hindus who are unable to receive education and follow the traditional profession like tailoring, or carpentry they do so without love and interest and don't progress to become a Fashion Designer or Architect like Europeans.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by OPVerma

WHILE EUROPEANS have made great many inventions and discoveries, Hindus are conspicuous of not doing so. The reason is obvious they do not love their work.

For millions of years, Hindus were divided in four order based on their profession called as Varna Ashram. They were expected to play a fixed role. The Brahmins were expected to teach, Kchtriyas to fight, Vaishyas to trade, and Shudras to serve. The traditional work froze their mind and made them unfit for innovation. Those Hindus who had no aptitude for their prescribed profession were out casted. Generation after generation they did the repetitive work and lost interest in it.

Thanks to British who established Universities and introduced science like subjects creating various avenues for work. Instead of Varna Ashram most Hindus can now opt for a profession of their choice and interest. Those Hindus who are unable to receive education and follow the traditional profession like tailoring, or carpentry they do so without love and interest and don't progress to become a Fashion Designer or Architect like Europeans.

So are you saying that India gaining independence was a bad idea !

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by OPVerma

WHILE EUROPEANS have made great many inventions and discoveries, Hindus are conspicuous of not doing so. The reason is obvious they do not love their work.

For millions of years, Hindus were divided in four order based on their profession called as Varna Ashram. They were expected to play a fixed role. The Brahmins were expected to teach, Kchtriyas to fight, Vaishyas to trade, and Shudras to serve. The traditional work froze their mind and made them unfit for innovation. Those Hindus who had no aptitude for their prescribed profession were out casted. Generation after generation they did the repetitive work and lost interest in it.

Thanks to British who established Universities and introduced science like subjects creating various avenues for work. Instead of Varna Ashram most Hindus can now opt for a profession of their choice and interest. Those Hindus who are unable to receive education and follow the traditional profession like tailoring, or carpentry they do so without love and interest and don't progress to become a Fashion Designer or Architect like Europeans.

Namaste.

That is quite the generalization you are making there, and while I cannot get to speak for all Hindus and/or Europeans everywhere, I don't believe that anybody else has earned that right either.

First off, you need to familiarize yourself with your own history and the exploitation of the Indian labour-force.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPM1Zce70Kc

I really enjoy watching lectures by Raj Vedam and Rajiv Malhotra....you should try it sometime...it really explains everything such as those things you are talking about.

Really though, anybody would enjoy their work unless they were doing so to mass produce items for a Western consumerist market or for the tourists visiting the country.....Balinese Hindus are a case in point.

The artisans are forced to mass produce paintings, sculptures and textiles on a "production line" to be sold at a fraction of the cost of a "one-off" article they put a lot of time, care, love and self-expression into...thus facilitating the enjoyment of what they do. The quality of stone sculpting has decreased significantly in the past 600 years...I have noticed a gradual decline in the elements of classical architecture from the Chola Period up to the present.

However, a lot of Hindus still enjoy their work and this can be seen clearly in the performing arts like the Bharatnatyam...but yes, there is a lot of pressure on the youth of India to become engineers, computer programmers, scientists and the like following a Westernized model, but how many of these can the world economy and competitive marketplace sustain? Honestly?

One day we shall see a Renaissance take place in India, but it won't be in my lifetime and all anyone can do until then is to enjoy whatever we do on a personal level and not worry about what anybody else is doing...it is the only way to stay sane in a world gone mad.

Aum Namah Shivaya

[OPVerma]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Namaste.

That is quite the generalization you are making there, and while I cannot get to speak for all Hindus and/or Europeans everywhere, I don't believe that anybody else has earned that right either.

First off, you need to familiarize yourself with your own history and the exploitation of the Indian labour-force.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPM1Zce70Kc

I really enjoy watching lectures by Raj Vedam and Rajiv Malhotra....you should try it sometime...it really explains everything such as those things you are talking about.

Really though, anybody would enjoy their work unless they were doing so to mass produce items for a Western consumerist market or for the tourists visiting the country.....Balinese Hindus are a case in point.

The artisans are forced to mass produce paintings, sculptures and textiles on a "production line" to be sold at a fraction of the cost of a "one-off" article they put a lot of time, care, love and self-expression into...thus facilitating the enjoyment of what they do. The quality of stone sculpting has decreased significantly in the past 600 years...I have noticed a gradual decline in the elements of classical architecture from the Chola Period up to the present.

However, a lot of Hindus still enjoy their work and this can be seen clearly in the performing arts like the Bharatnatyam...but yes, there is a lot of pressure on the youth of India to become engineers, computer programmers, scientists and the like following a Westernized model, but how many of these can the world economy and competitive marketplace sustain? Honestly?

One day we shall see a Renaissance take place in India, but it won't be in my lifetime and all anyone can do until then is to enjoy whatever we do on a personal level and not worry about what anybody else is doing...it is the only way to stay sane in a world gone mad.

Aum Namah Shivaya

Namastey ! Well I think I do deserve to speak about all mankind as I know everything, God, soul, Nature, cosmos, human history, Europeans, Indians etc.

We should not discount European's contributions in bringing our civilization to the present level despite their shortcomings and atrocities they have committed. The royals of recent past just 200 years ago, did not have the comforts that the average population of the world now enjoys ( A/C, attached bath...). It is all due to the Europeans who have superb imagination, who loved their work and devoted themselves, despite harsh climate. Not to talk about TV, Computer, internet, Railways, Aeroplane, No Indian can match Picasso, Van Gogh, Divinchi, or Thomas Edison, Tesla, Ford ..

Your link did not open. If you think Bharat Natyam, or Raj Vedam and Rajiv Malhotra could be a possible Indian challenger to their European Counterparts, then you are seriously mistaken.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by OPVerma

Namastey ! Well I think I do deserve to speak about all mankind as I know everything, God, soul, Nature, cosmos, human history, Europeans, Indians etc.

We should not discount European's contributions in bringing our civilization to the present level despite their shortcomings and atrocities they have committed. The royals of recent past just 200 years ago, did not have the comforts that the average population of the world now enjoys ( A/C, attached bath...). It is all due to the Europeans who have superb imagination, who loved their work and devoted themselves, despite harsh climate. Not to talk about TV, Computer, internet, Railways, Aeroplane, No Indian can match Picasso, Van Gogh, Divinchi, or Thomas Edison, Tesla, Ford ..

Your link did not open. If you think Bharat Natyam, or Raj Vedam and Rajiv Malhotra could be a possible Indian challenger to their European Counterparts, then you are seriously mistaken.

I wasn't going to dignify this with a response, but we do share exactly the same birthdate after all.

If you look into the archaeological excavations carried our at Harappa and Mojendro Daro, you will find that the ancient Hindus had hot and cold running water, hot baths, flushable toilets...not too sure about air conditioning though. LOL

However, do you honestly believe that modern conveniences define the advancement of civilization? All that does is make human beings lazy and SOFT..all the muscles, tissues and fascia gets all soft and spongy..

You just have to look at how having cold showers increases the resilience of the brain barrier...this is now being proven as a "biohack" to increase the length of generic telomeres...but I am digressing.

The ancient Hindus did not need Europeans to give them any advice on how to advance technologically...they even had VIMANAS running on Mercury (Quicksilver), Micanite and other compounds.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) you are a Westernized Hindu, I am not. Europeans gave India NOTHING..well, maybe a rail system that runs somewhat on time..lol

What did India give the rest of the world? ZERO....and chess.
Without the contributions made by ancient Hindu mathematicians, we would all still be counting on our fingers and toes!

There are a ton of great Hindu Artisans like Picasso, Van Gogh, Mozart...Rabindranath Tagore (just off the top of my head), Raja Ravi Varma..Mohan Roy...

It is a pity that you have not been educated, so you cannot "know everything" to even begin to reach any conclusion that I am mistaken. Did you watch that lecture about Mahatma Gandhi's attempts to focus on Khadi (homespun) to get the Indian economy back on track instead of buying imported suits...or don't you need to be educated about the truth to know what it is that you know? If I am mistaken, does that also mean Gandhi was mistaken?

Anyway, now I understand why it is that I prefer not to get involved and let people remain in Tamogun...because they are totally undeserving of my knowledge and experience.

Aum Namah Shivaya

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by OPVerma

Namastey ! Well I think I do deserve to speak about all mankind as I know everything, God, soul, Nature, cosmos, human history, Europeans, Indians etc.

We should not discount European's contributions in bringing our civilization to the present level despite their shortcomings and atrocities they have committed. The royals of recent past just 200 years ago, did not have the comforts that the average population of the world now enjoys ( A/C, attached bath...). It is all due to the Europeans who have superb imagination, who loved their work and devoted themselves, despite harsh climate. Not to talk about TV, Computer, internet, Railways, Aeroplane, No Indian can match Picasso, Van Gogh, Divinchi, or Thomas Edison, Tesla, Ford ..

Your link did not open. If you think Bharat Natyam, or Raj Vedam and Rajiv Malhotra could be a possible Indian challenger to their European Counterparts, then you are seriously mistaken.

Honestly, I think your information is outdated.

I've been to Udaipur and a few of the painting schools there. Their work is far superior to anything produced in London nowadays. Western art has been in serious decline for decades now.

Ditto with Engineering and Science. The best universities are filled to the brim with Asians and they outdo their Western peers by a considerable margin. Europeans and North Americans are by and large lazy and entitled, unwilling to work as hard as their Asian peers. Western civilization has produced some wonderful things, as well as quite a lot of destruction and suffering, but its best days are clearly behind it. The situation is worst in the UK and the US were people are visibly regressing to some sort of pre-human state, barely able to speak and write coherently, let alone make sense of the world around them, which is why we now have Trump and Brexit. A hundred years ago, our ancestors were scarily smart, resilient and diligent compared to the bumbling idiots we have become. A high-school graduate a century ago was far more educated and cultured than graduates from the best universities in the West today. This is not just me saying it, there are studies to prove it.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by NoOne

Honestly, I think your information is outdated.

I've been to Udaipur and a few of the painting schools there. Their work is far superior to anything produced in London nowadays. Western art has been in serious decline for decades now.

Ditto with Engineering and Science. The best universities are filled to the brim with Asians and they outdo their Western peers by a considerable margin. Europeans and North Americans are by and large lazy and entitled, unwilling to work as hard as their Asian peers. Western civilization has produced some wonderful things, as well as quite a lot of destruction and suffering, but its best days are clearly behind it. The situation is worst in the UK and the US were people are visibly regressing to some sort of pre-human state, barely able to speak and write coherently, let alone make sense of the world around them, which is why we now have Trump and Brexit. A hundred years ago, our ancestors were scarily smart, resilient and diligent compared to the bumbling idiots we have become. A high-school graduate a century ago was far more educated and cultured than graduates from the best universities in the West today. This is not just me saying it, there are studies to prove it.

Namaste.

This is so true and so eloquently expressed. Thank you.

(...and you may also understand now about the conversation we were just having in the Non Duality forum...perfect example of what you were saying exists right here, brother).

Aum Namah Shivaya

[OPVerma]

Originally Posted by NoOne

Honestly, I think your information is outdated.

I've been to Udaipur and a few of the painting schools there. Their work is far superior to anything produced in London nowadays. Western art has been in serious decline for decades now.

Ditto with Engineering and Science. The best universities are filled to the brim with Asians and they outdo their Western peers by a considerable margin. Europeans and North Americans are by and large lazy and entitled, unwilling to work as hard as their Asian peers. Western civilization has produced some wonderful things, as well as quite a lot of destruction and suffering, but its best days are clearly behind it. The situation is worst in the UK and the US were people are visibly regressing to some sort of pre-human state, barely able to speak and write coherently, let alone make sense of the world around them, which is why we now have Trump and Brexit. A hundred years ago, our ancestors were scarily smart, resilient and diligent compared to the bumbling idiots we have become. A high-school graduate a century ago was far more educated and cultured than graduates from the best universities in the West today. This is not just me saying it, there are studies to prove it.

In past 140 million years, this world has been ruled by Muslims for 40m yrs, by Indians for 40m yrs and by Europeans 60m yrs. So this cycle goes on.

Until recently Rama (19.4 m yrs) ruled this earth, and his Governors Biket, Brazil, Gaul named Britain, Brazil, France after their own. The legacy of Rama continues till date in the form of Rama Leela / Ramayan in many countries of the world. Rama's Empire continued through Alexander when he was defeated by Puru an Indian King, till about 1000 Ad when Muslims invaded India.

When the people of a nation deviate from love and dedication towards work and take to luxury, they are subdued by stronger arms. At present Europeans are ruling the world but would soon lose it to India. And the cycle goes on.

[ajay00]

Originally Posted by OPVerma

Namastey ! Well I think I do deserve to speak about all mankind as I know everything, God, soul, Nature, cosmos, human history, Europeans, Indians etc.

Don't you think the 'I know everything' smacks of arrogance, and actually ignorance for that matter!

[OPVerma]

Originally Posted by ajay00

Don't you think the 'I know everything' smacks of arrogance, and actually ignorance for that matter!

In Bhagavad- Gita God Krishna has said " Now I shall declare it to you in full detail the knowledge and the science by knowing which there shall remain nothing further to be known " ( BG 7-2). So God has revealed All Knowledge and one has to simply read and understand.

I have explained in the title ' All the Knowledge in the Universe ' ISBN 9788190950299 a four volume set containing all knowledge. I am confident this title justifies my arrogance and reflects your ignorance.