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Old 04-09-2011, 04:42 PM
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Yes it seems that we both have our own observations, and that is how it should be, its a personal choice that should have no guilt attached, what works for you may not work for me, or someone else, I'm a vegetarian that includes a small amount of milk products, it works for me but may not work for you, so being happy with your choice is what its all about.

If you want to include a small amount of dairy in your diet, I obviously can't stop you. However, making statements that dairy doesn't kill any animals is false and in the interests of accuracy, it would be appropriate to either include the truth or make no statement at all.
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Old 24-02-2012, 11:08 PM
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What about all the calves that are born so that humans can consume a product that they don't need and that by and large most of us are actually 'sensitive' to, if not downright allergic to, and must die? Are they less worthy of compassion than the grown animals? http://7d.blogs.com/blurt/2010/06/bu...l-cruelty.html That link (with no video or photos) will tell you about Bushway Packing Plant which was closed in 2010 because of 'egregious cruelty' to day old calves, including skinning alive.

And the cows, whose natural life span should be 20+ years, are slaughtered in their fifth or sixth year because their bodies are so worn out from being pregnant constantly while giving excessive amounts of milk, that their production levels finally drop to a point where they are deemed worthless. 'Nobody dies'? Care to rethink that statement?

Plants die.
Herbs are picked.

So what do you eat?!

In the end, yes, its wrong that cows die early, but they produce milk naturally anyways. Wouldnt it hurt the cow being full of milk if we didnt milk it and use the milk?

AH
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Old 24-02-2012, 11:30 PM
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Plants die.
Herbs are picked.

So what do you eat?!

In the end, yes, its wrong that cows die early, but they produce milk naturally anyways. Wouldnt it hurt the cow being full of milk if we didnt milk it and use the milk?

AH

Words fail me!

I see from your profile that you're only young, so we'll excuse you for your ignorance on the subject.

Some websites that explain things...(UK, NZ and USA - Universal cruelty)

http://www.factoryfarming.org.uk/dairy.html

http://www.nzdairy.webs.com/thelifeofadairycow.htm

http://www.exploreveg.org/issues/dairy.html
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Old 25-02-2012, 01:45 PM
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Plants die.
Herbs are picked.

So what do you eat?!

In the end, yes, its wrong that cows die early, but they produce milk naturally anyways. Wouldnt it hurt the cow being full of milk if we didnt milk it and use the milk?

AH

Having no brain or brainstem or nerve endings makes plants the fall back. Without those things, their suffering is non-existent. So I eat plants, nuts, berries, vegetables, etc.

As for cows, they don't give milk 'naturally' as you suggest. It doesn't just happen continually and so 'we do them the great benefit of saving them pain by milking them'.

They do like your mother and like you will do when you have a baby, in that they naturally will produce milk to feed their tiny calf and when the calf is grown, they dry up and voila, no more milk. But the fact is, that cows today are kept almost continually pregnant and continually give milk as a result. The result is that their bodies become worn out and broken down and so instead of living a natural lifespan of 15-20 years, they are butchered (often with the next new little calf inside them) between 4 and 6 years of age. Add to that, an unnatural diet and they are 'sick' on the inside too. Where really is the benefit to them?

Take some time and view the websites that Knightofalbion listed for a truer understanding of the kind of suffering that accompanies dairy.
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Old 25-02-2012, 02:01 PM
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Marie this will help you transition of meat to no end. you wont even miss meat!


http://www.quorn.com/

http://www.frysvegetarian.co.za/

http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/1028...lentil+patties




Giving up meat makes you feel heaps better.

I ate some tofu spread on bread not so long ago and it tasted great.

watch foods with gelatin in them because gelatin is derived from the collagen inside animals' skin and bones. Imagine eating something scraped from the inside of a pig skin thats really yuk!

Low fat yoghurt has that in as well as many lollies and jelly.
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Old 25-02-2012, 07:39 PM
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Words fail me!

I see from your profile that you're only young, so we'll excuse you for your ignorance on the subject.

Some websites that explain things...(UK, NZ and USA - Universal cruelty)

http://www.factoryfarming.org.uk/dairy.html

http://www.nzdairy.webs.com/thelifeofadairycow.htm

http://www.exploreveg.org/issues/dairy.html

Um. Did you just call me stupid because Im young? Or did you assume that because I'm young I must be stupid?

Isnt this a spiritual forum? So it should mean people don't judge. If you read what I said, it was all questions, I didn't judge you or your beliefs for being vegan.
But then you just called me ignorant.

I don't need the websites, but thanks.
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Old 25-02-2012, 07:40 PM
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Having no brain or brainstem or nerve endings makes plants the fall back. Without those things, their suffering is non-existent. So I eat plants, nuts, berries, vegetables, etc.

As for cows, they don't give milk 'naturally' as you suggest. It doesn't just happen continually and so 'we do them the great benefit of saving them pain by milking them'.

They do like your mother and like you will do when you have a baby, in that they naturally will produce milk to feed their tiny calf and when the calf is grown, they dry up and voila, no more milk. But the fact is, that cows today are kept almost continually pregnant and continually give milk as a result. The result is that their bodies become worn out and broken down and so instead of living a natural lifespan of 15-20 years, they are butchered (often with the next new little calf inside them) between 4 and 6 years of age. Add to that, an unnatural diet and they are 'sick' on the inside too. Where really is the benefit to them?

Take some time and view the websites that Knightofalbion listed for a truer understanding of the kind of suffering that accompanies dairy.


Thankyou for letting me know more. I agree, it is unfair. :(

AH
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Old 25-02-2012, 07:57 PM
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Um. Did you just call me stupid because Im young? Or did you assume that because I'm young I must be stupid?

Isnt this a spiritual forum? So it should mean people don't judge. If you read what I said, it was all questions, I didn't judge you or your beliefs for being vegan.
But then you just called me ignorant.

I don't need the websites, but thanks.


If you read what I said, I said you were ignorant of the subject matter - hence my providing the website links to enlighten you - I didn't say you were ignorant.
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And when your time is up, if you can leave the earth a better place than you found it, then yours will have been a life well lived.

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Old 25-02-2012, 09:12 PM
Haoma
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I'm vegan. I love organic coconut milk as a substitute to soy milk. It's very refreshing, cooling, and not overly demanding in taste. I like to sprinkle some organic dried coconut in my breakfast cereal/oatmeal as well. Plus I use coconut oil for my daily abhyanga. Maybe my username should be "nutsforcoconut"?
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Old 25-02-2012, 10:29 PM
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Its weird.. I asked The Source of all that is to help,and over-night he took the need for other than vegs and fruits! The results amazing. And before that I started to go weird over all dead animals all around in supermarkets.
Marie that happened to me too. The butchers section went from being a yum dinner section to being what it is. It took only a week or 2 of after becoming fully vegetarian for the realisation to set in. I view it as a graveyard for murdered tortured babies, which is what it is. A testament to mans cruelty and crimes against nature. I guess I am sensitive that way I sorta feel the pain and the same goes with leather, I find these things really disturbing.

Ps: There is nothing wrong with free range eggs for protien. I keep my own bantam hens and they are like our pets. Thier job in the family is make eggs. I let them run around free in the backyard on the grass every other day for a day and other than that they have a big pen. They are about 6 years old and healthy and happy.
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