The practice of the six perfections in the Mahayana - Page 4

jonesboy · #31 24-02-2018, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitiananda

Religion begins with worship. Due to this, its pride is reduced. If a person does not, then he can not practice any truly teaching.
This will be a simple brain masturbation.

I don’t see how believing in Buddha’s, Shiva or Jesus can have a negative effect on ones meditation practices.

As a matter of fact connecting to such beings is a very powerful means of progressing along the path.

sky · #32 24-02-2018, 01:14 PM

[quote=django]Isn't Buddha nature like a bud that still has to flower?[/QUOTE,

Love that django

Without the sunshine and rain nothing happens to the bud, it either wilts away or goes dormant until the conditions are right for the flower to bloom once again.

Shivani Devi · #33 24-02-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jonesboy

You know you actually can know if someone is enlightened. With that it is only possible if you are advanced along the path as well.

What is clarity?

Beyond 3rd eye seeing comes a knowing. With such knowing you can know where someone is along the path. Heck I know people that have such clarity they can know your deepest secrets if they wanted. They don’t do that of course but I know people who can tell you about past lives, heck can show you your past lives if they wanted.

Many, many things are possible.

Also, if one is still caught up in anger/attachments you are still in local mind. Enlightenment is beyond such things.

Thank you for your nice post.

You are welcome.

I'm reminded about the time when Jesus threw a huge 'hissy fit' in the market place: John:2 13-17.

If an 'enlightened being' shows 'righteous anger' are they still in 'local mind'?

sky · #34 24-02-2018, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

You are welcome.

I'm reminded about the time when Jesus threw a huge 'hissy fit' in the market place: John:2 13-17.

If an 'enlightened being' shows 'righteous anger' are they still in 'local mind'?

Even Buddha had hissy fits....

Sariputra, it is quite late now. Why are you not in bed and still wandering in the yard?" Sariputra then related to the Buddha what happened, "We have a lot of bhiksus and there are not enough beds to go around. Some of the new bhiksus wanted to find a bed to retire for the night, so I let them rest first." When the Buddha heard this, he was very angry. He immediately called everyone to a meeting in which the Buddha preached about what respect one should have for one's seniors and elders.

sky · #35 24-02-2018, 02:19 PM

Mindfulness (sati)
Keen investigation of the dhamma (dhammavicaya)[3]
Energy (viriya)
Rapture or happiness (piti)
Calm (passaddhi)
Concentration (samadhi)
Equanimity (upekkha)

SN 46.14.

Buddha never mentioned anger or being able to read the thoughts of others as an attribute of enlightenment...

jonesboy · #36 24-02-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

You are welcome.

I'm reminded about the time when Jesus threw a huge 'hissy fit' in the market place: John:2 13-17.

If an 'enlightened being' shows 'righteous anger' are they still in 'local mind'?

Have you ever seen a parent look angry to get a point across to little kids?

Same thing :)

jonesboy · #37 24-02-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123

Mindfulness (sati)
Keen investigation of the dhamma (dhammavicaya)[3]
Energy (viriya)
Rapture or happiness (piti)
Calm (passaddhi)
Concentration (samadhi)
Equanimity (upekkha)

SN 46.14.

Buddha never mentioned anger or being able to read the thoughts of others as an attribute of enlightenment...

You sure?

Just mentioned teaching dragons, God’s, teleportation and a whole bunch of other things your quote leaves out.

I need to find the sutra where it talks about bodhisatvvas knowing how many beings there are. Being able to shake infinite worlds and the like.

Lots of amazing stuff in Buddhism and other traditions.

jonesboy · #38 24-02-2018, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sky123

Even Buddha had hissy fits....

Sariputra, it is quite late now. Why are you not in bed and still wandering in the yard?" Sariputra then related to the Buddha what happened, "We have a lot of bhiksus and there are not enough beds to go around. Some of the new bhiksus wanted to find a bed to retire for the night, so I let them rest first." When the Buddha heard this, he was very angry. He immediately called everyone to a meeting in which the Buddha preached about what respect one should have for one's seniors and elders.

Link please.

You do know that goes against everything that is Buddhism. Just look at what an arhat is compared to a bodhisatvva.

Shivani Devi · #39 24-02-2018, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jonesboy

Have you ever seen a parent look angry to get a point across to little kids?

Same thing :)

Point noted and taken, but is the mere expression of anger to get a point across, thus resorting to stern, judgmental criticism a hallmark of the 'local mind' of an enlightened being? yay or nay?

jonesboy · #40 24-02-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Point noted and taken, but is the mere expression of anger to get a point across, thus resorting to stern, judgmental criticism a hallmark of the 'local mind' of an enlightened being? yay or nay?

Is pretending to be angry at a child real anger?

Also, is what he was saying judgmental or true?

Was the Buddha being judgmental about the cast society of his time or that other traditions didn’t go far enough?