Thomas - truth from Christ - gnosis revealed

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks...

So Ive been reading the forum, and it becomes very obvious and apparant that "christianity" is in a mass state of confusion with its followers pretty much lost and struggling to find a common explanation for things reportedly said and done by Christ.. The reason for the confusion is indeed the Bible itself and the agenda of those that manufactured it (new testamant) - made it up to suit their purpose of domination - and have indeed purposefully confusd and misled the masses.. Thats really beyond any debate now and certainly not the purpose of this thread...For sure beyond any doubt, we KNOW it is a fraudulant book,because we know its full history, where it started why it was compiled and by whom.. Its not really a spiritual text at all, even though it fully deals with spiritual matters, it is actually more like a "political manifesto" that is purely designed to give power to the ruling religious elite of Yeshua time and shortly after, presented in a manner that ensures those with power REMAIN in power always, as it takes and with holds original truth and meaning given by Christ direclty, and replaces it with half truth and twisted meaning in order to acheive its agenda of domination and control..

The bible new testamant is not the original truth that Christ spoke to His Disciples - but that truth is now yet again freely available to us all in this modern world.. Here I will present that ORIGINAL truth, as Christ Himself presented it - I will give the intended meaning as Christ Himself reveals it, and hopefully along the way, we can start to see the deceptions for what they truly are... The very crucial first step - most important thing to remember always as we read this, is to know and fully realise that the great spirit that Christ is going to reveal here, is NOT the old god of the Jews - two entirely seperate "truths" - INCOMPATABLE TRUTHS - and this is why such confusion persists even today.. The church founders knew full well Christs truth - and yet they chose to cleave instead, to their old god and refused Christ outright, as they realised and know full well Christ truth will strip them of all personal power, control authority and influence over us all..If THIS truth becomes established ,then the religion becomes immediatly obsolete, null, void - and so we begin to see WHY they took such drastic actions - MURDERED Christ to silence Him - then set about for centuries hunting down and destroying all trace of His message as best they could..

The so called truth of the Bible new testamant, is sourced entirely from pre existant original manuscripts - 100s of them that the Disciples and those close to them wrote as they travelled walked and talked with the LIVING Christ - direct first hand accounts are at the heart of all this - but no such direct account is to be found AT ALL in the bible version.. As said, the religion took the original truth, then manufactured a new truth from it, presented it as "bible canon", made it authentic, then promptly silenced all opposition - murder - crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts - never ending - they eradicated all sources of spiritual truth that were in opposition to their new version - and soon the world over under Romes military power, was forced to adopt the new bible as the ONLY PERMITTED TRUTH !! Literally Folks - they STOLE the salvation that Christ offered freely, and gave instead a bogus "salvation" that ensures that THEY, clergy, institute, remain in total power and control over you..

So here I will begin to redress this great injustice - and to represent the original truth as He intended - given freely for one and all.. There are no "lost hopeless sinners" in the world, despite what the religion taught you..There is no "saved elect" either, despite what they taught you.. You dont even NEED them to approach Christ or Our Father that He taught of - and indeed the religion itself is a direct hinderance to the legitimate truth here, and as Christ advises, the religion is the very first obstacle that must be overcome before the new truth can be known.. The very best place to find the core of that authentic Christ truth, is of course these original first hand gospels that were written by the disciples themselves and that the catholic church then destroyed and banned a sherasy...SOMETHING within them is so - damaging - so damning - to the religion itself, that they felt a need to hunt down and eradicate it, and murder, silence any and all who knew and understood....And to this day Folks, they STILL will not allow us access to their original manuscripts, (though for sure they hold copies of all the pre existant gospels) and utterly refuse any and all requests to examine their vaults of knowldge...WHAT are they hiding..??... It would pay us then, to seek it out, see for ourselves and work through this chicanery and the confusion it brings.... Having read the original gospels, I will will start here with perhaps the most well known - the gospel of Thomas....This Folks is the core of the Bible canon in its original form - the sayings and famous things said by Christ in the bible all come directly from this gospel of Thomas (and the others of course), with Thomas containing around 80% of all the most famous sayings - plus others that are not to be found in the bible at all... Now, the religon called Thomas "doubting" and present him as if he is the most confused and least in understanding - but that is simply not so..he is actually not "doubting" at all - fully accepting - and indeed he is constantly QUESTIONING Christ and asking for clarity....His gospel is not at all religious in its approach - none of the originals are...It is more like a collection of notes, gathered together to ponder and so reach the deep truth they contain...There is no narrative or linking story - just these notes written n no particular order - as if he wrote them as and when he heard them - the things that puzzled him he recorded for future examination.. As Christ tells him right at the start - these sayings are CRUCIAL to His legitimate truth - and by uncovering their meaning, the person can indeed find this "salvation" that they need.. No twisting half truths here - just plain speech delivered face to face, Christ to Disciple.. Take it that Christ is speaking LITERALLY Folks, not figuratively...He will use such things as parables ad allegory of course to explain, but understand at the core He is revealing a very authentic, and real world situation - explaining the metaphysical truth of Who we are and How we came to Be..

Put aside all religous preconceptions here - read with an open mind - invite and allow the spirit of truth to reveal itself unto you - the Holy Ghost is real Folks.... Now, Im obviously not going to be able to get this done in one go - so feel free to comment any time or place...lets make a start shall we..??..

[Ab Origine]

"These are the secret words which the living Jesus spoke, and which Didymus Judas Thomas wrote down.
(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."

And so we begin with a declaration that tells us who is writing what...The disciple Thomas, recording the secret things that Christ revealed directly.. Anybody who comes to this understanding He says, will conquer death itself - reclaim their immortal status.. Pretty straight forward so far..

"(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All.

So - remember that guideline above ALWAYS - Our Father is NOT the Jewish god yhvh....So, He tells them to keep seeking HIS truth and look, He WARNS them that when they realise this, they will be troubled, and thats because Folks, they are expecting a continuation of the god Yhvh , and this is something entirely different and unexpected... He continues and says that when they realise this first step, allow it to sink in, they will next be astounded, amazed at that which they discover in truth.. Persevere He says, follow this new truth revealed, and they will "rule over all" - sounds strange perhaps - but it will be fully explained later...For now I will just say, we are to literally BECOME CHRIST, without any seperation apparant - mind to mind - spirit to spirit...He is saying here up front that this new truth will trouble them greatly, astonish them fully, and allow them to become exactly as HE HIMSELF is, the Christ, hence they will rule over All... His is a DIRECT communion with the Divine Source, freely given - and they have never heard anything like it before - not of the "god jhvh", completely new truth revealed..

"If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'it is under the earth or 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

Ok - so - those who lead you have no truth to offer He says...."Birds in the sky" are the religious leaders themselves - already flying "higher" than the rest of the people, in that lofty position already He warns that they will always put themself first, crave their power and status... "Under the Earth" simply means its come from Earthly sources, scholars, scribes and "authority" - and "inthe sea" means from us the common folks with out own ideas and opinions.. he is saying then, that to follow ANY of these EXTERNAL SOURCES, will always lead you off track and away from truth...No priest no scholar no public opinion can EVER give you this truth - avoid it all and start form scratch..Even this post here - merely a "signpost" to point the way, and that is all these external things are...

The next part is very interesting - very revealing.. So He tells us where NOT to look - outside of the Self - and says indeed LOOK WITHIN for this truth.. You have to discover this inner truth first before the outer truth is revealed in the world.. Come to a state where you FULLY know and understand your own Self He says, and all these outer truths will also become fully revealed... You will find out that actually YOU are the very thing you seek all along - you BECOME IT - I and the Father are one as He likes to say.. You will become a "son of the living Father" as He terms it, begin the journey to reclaim your inheritance.. But look what He says - if you WILL NOT know your Self....Crucial - He doesnt say "if you dont know yourself" - but rather He emphasises this is a CHOICE you must make - an endeavour you must agree to - if you will not, decide not to do this (for whatever reasons), then He says you exist in ignorance and are choosing to be dominated by it..

"(4) Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will live. For many who are first will become last, and they will become one and the same."

The man old in days is obvious to discern - supposedly age brings wisdom, and here specificially of course we speak of spiritual wisdom... The small child of 7 days though - not so easy to see....But look - h eis speaking of literally becoming something new and Divine - of literally RECREATING THE SELF....So, follow - the child of SEVEN DAYS - 7 days to CREATION Folks - this child then is the man who has completed his transformation - been "born again" and has the new truth revealed.....The child of seven days is the born again Christian (legitimate follower of Christ here with the new truth revealed)..The old religious man who SHOULD be wise alreadu - spiritually knowledgeable - yet, will not hesitate to take truth from THIS CHILD and that new truth will benfit the old man greatly even if he is indeed wise already, still this new truth of Christ will supercede all that the old man knew and so, "he will live" too, find the Kingdom within..

Many who are first will now become last He says...The FIRST ones follow yhvh of course, and now their truth is useless....but if they turn from that and embrace our Father then they will indeed attain the prize, become one and the same with Christ..

"(5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."

what is in your sight..??...What do you try to find..??...Crucially - what is it, that is right before THEM as He speaks this to them..??..CHRIST - Christ is before them in their sight face to face speaking directly to them - recognise His truth He says - accept it as legitimate, and it will allow ALL truth to be fully revealed.. This same advise and the authenticity of all that He presents, will be repeated many times here as He asks them to trust Him implicitly - you know, have "faith" He says and I will give you something that goes far beyond anything you imagine...

[Morpheus]

Would be comical, if not so unfortunate, given the situation.

The repeated litany about the spurious and fraudulent writings.
For one, birthed here in deceit. Right "Ab"?

But, for another, the work of Christ on the cross had been both illustrated, and rather directly prophesied throughout the old testament writings.
Through the ages thereof.

And, why is it that the important archaeological find of the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran, are ignored and dismissed by those disaffected towards the Holy Word of God, the Bible?
Which important find confirms our present and modern translations today?

But as Paul wrote also, these types who are among the inured in the "world", would continue to wax worse and worse, both decieving...
and also, "BEING DECIEVED".
( 2 Timothy 3:13 )

[Ab Origine]

"6. His disciples asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?" Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven. After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed."

So they ask Him about "religious practice" - the things they are used to doing for their Jewish faith.. Christ though ignores their religious concerns entirely, and merely tells them to say no lies, stick to the truth of Self - and dont do the things you hate He says, which sounds a little bizarre thing to say, because who in their right mind does ANYTHING that they truly "hate"..?..lol...Hmmm....Dont tell lies is obvious, stick to your truth revealed (by the Holy Ghost once attained) - and dont do the things you hate - loathe - despise - you would ONLY do such a thing to "fit in" and be accepted by those others who do those things you hate....No other reason except you wish to be accepted by them, so you join them in whatever they are doing "wrong"....Christ says simply then, dont be a hypocrit stick to your truth...see the context - they ask about RELIGIOUS PRACTICE, and He ignores that as entirely unimportant and says instead, dont tell lies and dont do what those others do just to be seen as accepted...Simple isnt it..?...

Remember, the god of the Jews is NOT His Father - so He tells them specifically here, dont lie about this new truth He is revealing, and dont do as the Jews do because you need to forget all that old truth entirely, have no part of it and come to hate it, so dont do the things you hate, have no part now in your old ways and truths.....

Dont be a hypocrit over it He says - stark choices to be made.....Yet again, this choice and its consequences will be repeated later, explained more fully by Him, for it is a central issue.. It HAS to be a FREE CHOICE Folks - you must want and desire truth above all else and seek it always in EARNEST, not just to be seen as religious, special or to be accepted..
If you don't do that then you will fail -the Holy Ghost cannot be deceived, nothing remains hidden, not even the lies we tell our little self.. For this to work He says there must be full and honest commitment..

"7. Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."

Remember He is teaching of a TRANSFORMATION from old self to new Self... The Lion is the OLD SELF following the Jewish god and THAT religion - and the Human is the NEW SELF trying to understand and following truth of Our Father......

Follow this then - its a good thing He says, to destroy the old self and allow the new Self to thrive, lion becomes man, they leave the old religion behind, destroy it and embrace Christ - entirely beneficial .. But look - its a bad thing indeed He says, that the LION (religion old truth) can devour the people, and those that the lion (religion old truth) so devour become FOUL HE says - corrupted !! And yet the Lion (religion old truth) will STILL become like the Human (new truth of Christ)...In other words Folks - He just warned of the deception as church hijacks HIS TRUTH and corrupts it, making it seem like its their own - lion devoured man and made it fowl but still became like the human.. Religion corrupts man and mimics the Divine..
Again we see clearly - this Jewish tradition is NOT HIS TRUTH and everything He says just emphasises this fact - two entirely different "gods" - He has us turn completely away from Yhvh first before we can embrace - BECOME - the new truth of Christ..

"8. And he said, "The person is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of little fish. Among them the wise fisherman discovered a fine large fish. He threw all the little fish back into the sea, and easily chose the large fish. Anyone here with two good ears had better listen!"

Back to the fish in the sea again Folks...Remember, Sea = humanity, all of us alive in the world, many sources - and little fishes = the truths that we each have.. So - we go through life surrounded by others and their truths...We take and adopt truth from them like the fisherman takes fish from the sea.. He says the WISE man then, discovered this fine new truth, and realised what he had found.. He threw all those other truths away, and kept only this fine new truth - and as He says, anyone with two good ears - one mortal, one spiritual - had better listen.. THIS truth now revealed, is the only truth that matters He says - all else is insignificant until you first know THIS the truth of the Divine Self..

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks..

Morph; Ah my friend - re read the first post please - for as I said the origin of the bible is well documented for all to see for them selves, and that issue really is beyond any debate at all - especially as the Catholics themselves tell us outright about its origins and fully admit that its NOT ACTUALLY the disciples writing those canon gospels, and none of the writers there knew either Christ or disciple directly..

Everything presented first post about bible origins is wholly accurate - it was manufactured to order from hundreds of pre existant manuscripts - one of which Im explaining here spurious and fraudulent writings indeed would apply to Bible canon then but not to the ORIGINAL first hand accounts from which it is taken...

And yes, I know and understand the Prophecies - agree with you on that part - can explain the discrepancies there as well - but none of that is for now - first , you / we all must come to know our Self and so come to know Christ, just as He advised - and to that endeavour, old Thomas here is a great help.... So how about then - address some of the quotes FROM Thomas - after all, your bible is like 80% similar right..??..lol....Do you have a different take to offer..??..Or address some of my explanations if you wish..??..or need clarity...... but its a bit pointless to first, claim these gospels are frauds, when clearly they are not - and second, its a bit pointless to dismiss them out of hand IF you REALLY want to understand Christ and the Father, as they are indeed ALL ABOUT Christ and the Father and nothing else...lol... I mean - unlike bible - there is no agenda there in the originals - just truth given freely... Read saying no 4again Morph - let it sink in - it was written specifically for people in your position...

As I warned - as Christ warned - we need to first put aside any and all PRECONCEPTIONS if you wan to understand Him

[white pegasus]

ab origine- I am not Catholic-keep this in mind as I ask my question...are you saying that the Catholic religion altered the original writings of the Bible?

I looked at a Catholic bible one time-compared to a non catholic Bible-it was a quick comparison but what I noticed is that the Catholic Bible had 5 more chapters than say a New International Version(NIV)-why does the Catholic Bible have 5 more chapters?

so if the original writings were altered-where may I view the original writings?

[white pegasus]

ab origine-morpheus brings up a valid point-the dead sea scrolls-these scrolls written 2000 years ago-match what the bible says. will you please address this as well-thank you

[white pegasus]

isn't it interesting that the first dead sea scroll was found by a boy who was searching for his lost sheep.............

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks..

White Pegasus; Hmm - worse than that - they literally MANUFACTURED the bible (new testament)... There was NO BIBLE at that time - only the old Jewish tradition that was the heart and core, foundation of their whole society.. Neither was there any "catholics" around or any "christians" of ANY denominations at all - all that starts only AFTER they murder my mate and hang Him on that cross.. Yes, it seems we would profit here, if we examined the history and the real world situation, as these events come about and unfold..

He came among them - a society as said, absolutely enmeshed and inseperable from their "god" Yhvh... And He begins to teach that this god is false, a sham - and of course He proves His own Divine claims by performing MIRACLES that soon get everyones attention, including the priests of Yhvh of course, who themselves can DO NO SUCH MIRACLES AT ALL !! That's crucial to understand - we have no such events in our modern culture, but check their history - magik and sorcery are common place every day occurrences here - their famous leader Soloman himself will employ magical metaphysical knowledge to build their equally famous temple for example, with the aid of Beings we call DEMONS !! All this is very VERY common and well understood by them, part and parcel of their culture...

The Jews have one of the richest spiritual traditions, literally full of supernatural events and they are every day occurrences fully accepted as legitimate real world events, common place... Plus of course they are mixed now with MANY other cultures - Rome and Greek of course, are obvious example, and these two bring their own supernatural input - as well as trade and neighbouring cultures, Egypt primarily - for sure this time and place is a hot bed of various spiritual traditions that all come together here and are all known and experienced directly by these people..

Yeshua was NOT the first person to turn up and make such claims - not at all - Many MANY others had turned up before, made similar claims - and were laughed out of town...lol..ignored by the people mostly and crucially, ignored by the PRIESTHOOD....BUT - something about Yeshua made the people stop in their tracks and take notice... Surrounded by all this supernatural every day world - yet something about His "magik and sorcery" far FAR surpassed ANYTHING they had seen.....For example - they are used to certain - methods - practices and rituals to get the job done - whereas Yeshua employs NONE of that at all - just a TOUCH and a SPOKEN WORD - nobody else could match..!! This is crucial to grasp if we REALLY want what to know what went on and WHY they MURDERED HIM !!

So , if you needed any such magical or spiritual aid - you would seek out an appropriate magi or priest.. If you need a talisman for example, a potion or spell for every day concerns, such as protection in battle, protection from possession, disease and such, a talisman to bring luck etc etc - then go to the market and BUY one, very VERY common.... Similarly, if you was needing any spiritual aid from "god", you went to the PRIEST, and it was ALWAYS the same - make your request to them, pay your price to them for their services.. Its a BUSINESS arrangement and the priests are in control of it all..

For example, they demand a SACRIFICE to make the endeavour work - and of course THEY provide the sacrificial animal - a dove or similar for low level work, but maybe a sheep or goat for the higher stuff - either way - YOU PAY THEM, they provide this "spotless sacrifice" - murder and butcher it on your behalf - do some prayers and rituals often lasting DAYS AND DAYS - and then after all that, maybe MAYBE you may get some tangeable results.....lol...

And of course when they inevitably fail (mostly) and there are NO tangeable results, they simply tell the person it was THEIR fault, they have "sinned" and are unworthy of their god.. Thus they held the people DOMINATED, fully in control of EVERY ASPECT of their lives.. Now her comes Yeshua - and HE ALONE can do such extraordinary magik that He on gets EVERYONES ATTENTION....Look what actually happens there in the real world among all that tradition and spiritual understanding - first public example - Christ finds a LEPER man and HEALS HIM TOTALLY !!!!

Remember the priest has that "clause" above where they can say any failure is YOURS because you "sinned"..?.. Well, that is the case with LEPERS Folks... They are OUTCASTS - shuned and avoided - NO PRIEST WOULD EVER HEAL A LEPER - would not even make the attempt !!! Why not..?.... Because they CAN NOT HEAL LEPROSY !!! and to cover this failing, they use that clause above and say that they cannot heal them because GOD ABANDONED THEM !!! Like the priest says - not my fault I cant heal you, my god wont give me power to, as he has made you outcast, UNCLEAN SINNER !! Crucial Folks - let it sink in deep.....

Yeshua comes - finds a leper - with just a TOUCH and a spoken Word that man is made WHOLE and unblemished IMMEDIATELY !!! Compared to all that other malarkey sacrifice rituals prayers etc etc that the priest must use and that bring little results - here is a man who can heal LEPERS just by a single touch !!!! Imagine the UPROAR this caused..???.... Christ tells the leper SPECIFICALLY - do not make any fuss please, but just go STRAIGHT to the Priest and show them what I have done.... The leper though - who can blme him - so overjoyed he runs off to market instead - boastes and brags about his miracle and the man who heals by touch - the MESSIAH has come they begin to say !!!!

Silly leper fool - had he done as my mate asked, then history may have turned out very differently... As it was, the priests hear the commotion of course, and go to Yeshua to confront Him - He tells them face to face basically, YES I did that, my Father empowers Me - whereas you lot can NOT do that, as your "god" is not legitimate.. He then starts to tell them (all) of this new wonderous spirit, Our Father, and how they too can achieve all that He can do for THEMS ELVES... For just over 3 years He travels around spreading this new truth, directly teaching those who are ready, in all His mysteries... At the same time He is repeatedly telling them all to come out from the religions influence, has them shun and avoid it COMPLETELY with teachings as we know - hate your parents - damn the Pharisees - quit the temple completely He instructs - they soon become ENEMIES and as we know eventually priesthood acts to silence this threat and they have Him murdered !!!

That though was exactly what Yeshua wanted and NEEDED to happen - I could explain that too but this is already long enough...lol....Suffice it to say, they were doing exactly what He desired them to do They murdered Him - and yet in short order He resurrected, ad this event was the end of the Jewish gods unchallenged domination.....Some Jews of course had ALREADY listened, followed, understood Him in life -the disciples obvious among them, and so Jewish society was already crumbling because of His truth.... Some other Jews had listened, followed perhaps, but did not quite understand, tried to make it fit with previous spiritual truths.... Otehrs rejected Him outright of course - but now - RESURRECTED - many MANY who had doubted before began to see legitimate truth and began to seek out that truth in earnest !!!

In a very short span of time over ONE HUNDRED sects and religions sprang up - all with a mix of this old Jewish tradition and new Christ truth - each had a different perspective, different idea, different level of understanding (different levels of confusion in other words) - but of course only the Disciples and those who followed closely all the way through had any REAL understanding or truth to offer... All these new religions all vying for dominance - and of course Yhvh priesthood - Pharisees - still clinging to power and authority - and all this of course under ROMES domination as they invade and occupy the land around.......Yes, we need to fully appreciate ALL this before we can truly see how and why the Bible came about.... THREE HUNDRED YEARS OF CIVIL UNREST immediately follow the murder and resurrection of Christ !!

Until eventually - the Roman emporer Constantine finally has had enough and can not tolerate their religious civil war any more... So, he ORDERS all these various religious leaders to come together with al the foundational texts that support their various beliefs....He takes all these books and manuscripts from them and then HE SENDS THEM AWAY AGAIN !! They themselves have NO INPUT or say as to what happens next... He has his chief aide - a man called Eusibius if memory servs - and sayd to him basically , take all these books here , read them all, and find out which agrees with which.. Make a credible narrative he instructs that they all can agree with, and I will give them a new official religion that they all MUST share....so begins the ROMAN Catholic church - not at all a "spiritual" institute - but an institute manufactured to order to keep peace and stop a civil war.. Constantine did not care less about any Jewish spiritual matters or any concern for legitimate spiritual truth - NEVER ENTERED HIS MIND - his only concern - openly stated BY him, was to stop the unrest and to make them all "play nicely together" for lack of better phrase... He literally MANUFACTURED the religion to suit THAT purpose as recorded BY his aide Eusibius who wrote down the instructions Constantine had given him and kept a full account of the whole process (romans were very big on writing things down ,recorded everything)

So they begin to wittle down this vast collection (over 1000 manuscripts) - they take a piece from one, piece from another, bit here bit there - and literally manufacture just FOUR new "sanctioned gospels" - and that is the origin right there of the Bible NEW testamant - a dictated and manufactured work, designed to bring a cohesive narrative to bolster the new religion he had just forced upon them all !! And indeed that is EXACTLY what they did....Forbad, outlawed, made heretical, any and ALL forms of knowledge that they did not directly control.. Using Romes MILITARY might under disguise of "spiritual quest" they set out to dominate the whole world...Murdered , tortured destroyed any and all traces of none catholic spiritual truth, and so ensured that only their sanctioned "bible" would be dominant...It worked well for them didn't it..??...

As the religion was forming right at the start, it was quite naturally the Pharisee tradition that had internal power - always has had even before Constantine did this - and as that tradition was already the core of it all, so the main body of the manufactured new testament was made to agree WITH that tradition and history.. They removed all references by Christ to the truth of the Father and other unknown spiritual realms - banned especially the writings of the disciples of course...John for example is BOTH a SAINT receiving reward in Heaven - and yet according to their philosophy, he is also a "demon spawned" heretic who blashphemed their god and will now burn in hell for ever more...lol....do we see the hypocrasy yet Folks..??.. he has two sanctioned canonised gospels in the bible -and he has two more that are deemed heretical satan influenced...lol...

Over the centuries they tightened their hold over us and the catholic church pretty much ran the whole of society here in the west until recent times....They controlled and influenced every aspect of society, especially education and so before long everyone was literally TAUGHT that their version was the god given "truth" which of course, it never was at all !!

There was NO bible in the time of Yeshua - and there would be NO NEW testament either - not until FOUR HUNDRED YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH.. It came about exactly as I relay it here Folks.. Manufactured to order - a political manouver that didn't start out as spiritual at all.. The same priesthood of Yhvh have ALWAYS had control of it, and so they have manipulated you always to make you believe that Yhvh is the one true god still - but that is NOT the truth that Christ came to reveal to us - our Father is NOT that jewish god - and to silence this truth and threat to their status, they murdered Him and did all this deception to us, in HIS Name...The religion is entirely bogus - the house that must be destroyed so that none may ever rebuild it, as Christ Himself said to those with ears to hear..


Edit : Sorry White Pegasus - nearly missed your question - if you want to see this truth for your self, then please seek out all the gospels that are now known as "gnostic" - especially any written directly by the disciples -Thomas here is the foundation of the new testament - but John as said, has a SECRET gospel as it is known , banned as heresy, and there you can find the ENTIRE account of Creation - right from my Fathers first stirring Mind, through to mankind walks the Earth as flesh and blood mortals, everything revealed, including the Creation and origin of the jewish god Yhvh... Indeed, seek ANYTHING that the religon has made heresy - see directly what they try to hide from us - see what they try to protect themselves from with murder torture and deception always used to hide the truth of Christ - fo rif that truth becomes established, then they and their "god" is finished, obsolete......

Double Edit : lol - the dead sea scrolls - largely irrelevant to CHRIST Im afraid...They verify the old Jewish tradition and that is because they are mostly FROM the old Jewish tradtion.. You know, all part of that condfusion that came about as all those new religions and sects began to appear.. They tell us NOTHING of Christ or His truth delivered and speak only of the previous traditions in relation to this new event.. They verify many aspects of the OLD Jewish tradition, represent it again for us to clarify - but they offer no connection at all to Christ or Our Father...


Im sure Morpheous fully realises that - and his insistence that we take a look there is probably more based on the aspect of PROPHECY that the scrolls often contain...As I said above - I CAN explain all that too - prophecy is real valid and legitimate - but it aint always coming from Yhvh for one, and besides that, we would need the full explanation of YHVS actions as well, to understand all this full.. Yhvh himself will "change his mind" toward all this and eventually that "god" will give up all claims to domination here and fully accede to Christs authority over it - Yhvh is the very first Being in Creation to REPENT and the Prophecy aspect deals mostly with this narrative as god of bible encounters truth of the Divine directly for itself, bringing about a change of heart and desire to set things straight for us....

Yhvh has had NO INFLUENCE here at all since around four hundred years BEFORE Christ came - it told the last jewish Prophet - Malaki - that it would now leave them and they should instead await the Christ.. It has been SILENT to humanity ever since that time and this Prophecy aspect really deals with the relationship there, little false god to Great Divine Spirit.. The god itself is SILENT to us - and all forms of communication since that time has been with ANGELS alone - some good - some bad.... These angels eve started a NEW religion didn't they..? Islam - then had the new one in direct violent opposition to the others so that those with power could play both sides against each other and so, remain secure in their position dominating all..

As we see - its a very very complicated can of worms - with over 6000 years of deception and chicanery to unravel.. It al starts to make sense though once we realise that first crucial truth - the god of the Jerws is NOT Our Father that Christ alone reveals... This is why it is crucial - only ever trust CHRIST and Him alone - if scripture does not begin with the words "Christ said", then really that scripture is useless to us, and is just going to add to all this condusion...

[Morpheus]

All you have done above is drop one long paranoid load, which in my opinion is indicative of your psycholical state, and perspective.
Probably still fascinated by Dan Brown's work? Which has been ferreted out to be just that. "Fiction". Look it up.

White Pegasus' query to you... was in reference to the archaeological find of history, the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Which confirm our modern translations of the ancient texts.

Wherein..? Are found the various prophetic illustrations of the then coming Messiah and Savior,
as well as the more direct prophesies concerning Him, and His work of salvation at the cross.

And yes W.P., the fact that the D.S.S. were found by a young lad looking for his lost sheep is indicative of the Providence of God. Not mere happenstance or coincidence.

The message brought out in the ages of the writings is not hidden or secret.

The Almighty, through the ages... has been called both Redeemer, and Savior.
As we can read in our modern texts, which are confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls,
which have undergone much research.

Looking around in the world, it ought to be more than apparent that humanity is in need of His salvation, accomplished by the prophesied Savior at the cross.