The Doctrine of Vibration - Direct Introduction

[jonesboy]

If this is going to be about guru's. Let's talk about the different kinds from a KS perspective.

From the KULARNAVA TANTRA



* Different traditions have different classifications of

the Gurus. There is for instance one tradition which

speaks of twelve kinds of Gurus:

1. Dhatuvadi Guru who ensures liberation by making

the disciple practice sadhana, observances and so on.

2. Candana Guru who emanates his high consciousness

like the sandal tree giving out its fragrance and

imparting it to other trees in its environs. His mere

proximity acts for liberation.

3. Vicara Guru who acts on the intelligence of the

disciple and leads him through subtler and subtler operations

of the buddhi.

4. Anugraha Guru who uplifts by sheer grace.

5. Parasa Guru whoso mere touch, like that of parasa

(philosopher's stone) transmutes the disciple.

6. Kacchapa Guru who redeems the disciple merely

by thinking of him, like the Kacchapa, tortoise, nourishing

its young ones by thought alone.

7. Candra Guru whose natural rays melt the being

of the disciple in the manner of the chandrakanta stone

(moon-stone) oozing out at the rays of the moon.

8. Darpana Guru who like a mirror reveals the true

form (of yourself and the universe) when you meet him.

9. Chayanidhi Guru, whose mere shadow confers

divinity on you even as the shadow of the bird Chayanidhi

is said to confer kinghood on whomsoever falls its

shadow.

10. Nadanidhi Guru who like the precious stone of

that name, which transmutes any metal into gold the

moment its sound reaches it, gives Knowledge the moment

the call of the aspirant reaches him.

11. Krauncapaksi Guru whose mere remembrance

confers spiritual elevation on the disciple like the

remembrance by the Krauncapaksi feeding its young ones

in a far away place.

12. Suryakanta Guru, whose mere glance burns up the

sins of the disciple like the rays of the sun burning cotton

and the like when they fall on it through the sun-crystal.

[jonesboy]

How about a holy guru?

From the KULARNAVA TANTRA



Difficult to obtain is the Guru who pleased,

gifts to you in the fraction of a second, the

wealth of liberation, taking you across the ocean

of Samsara.

Difficult to obtain is the godly Guru who

gives to the disciple his own capacity in a

moment without any ceremony or effort; who

gives instruction in knowledge which instantly

promotes faith, is easy and gives happiness of

the Self.

He is the Guru who goes on giving knowledge

with facility, without strenuous practice

and the like, as one moves from island to island.

Difficult to obtain is the Guru whose mere

instruction gives rise to knowledge, even as food

gives instant contentment to the hungry.

Many are the Gurus like lamps in house and

house; but rare is the Guru who lights up all

like the sun.

Many are the Gurus who are proficient to the

utmost in Vedas, and Sastras; but rare is the

Guru who has attained to the supreme Truth.

Many are the Gurus on earth who give what

is other than the Self; but rare is the Guru in

the worlds who brings to light the Atman.

Many are the Gurus who know petty

mantras, medicaments; but rare is the Guru

who knows the Mantras handed down by the

Nigama, Agama and Sastra.

Many are the Gurus who rob the disciple of

his wealth; but rare is the Guru who removes

the afflictions of the disciple.

Many are they who are given to the discipline

and conduct according to varna (class),

asrama (stage) and kula (family); but he who is

devoid of all volition is the Guru rare to find.

He is the Guru by whose very contact there

flows the supreme Ananda; the intelligent

man shall choose such a one as the Guru and

no other.

By the mere sight of him whose intelligence

is active only till the advent of experience, one

attains liberation, there is no doubt of it.

Rare is the Guru who has eaten up Doubt

which has engulfed the three worlds with all

that is moving and unmoving.

As in the vicinity of fire the butter gets

melted, so in the proximity of the holy Guru all

sin dissolves

As lighted fire burns up all fuel - dry and

moist - so the glance of the Guru burns up in a

moment the sin of the disciple.

As a heap of cotton blown up by a great

storm scatters in all the ten directions, so the

heap of sins is driven away by the compassion

of the Guru.

As darkness is destroyed at the very sight of

the lamps, so is ignorance destroyed at the very

sight of the holy Guru.

[jonesboy]

Now if you want to go it alone because of a thousands reasons that is fine.

Even if you find a guru that is holy, that can change your life, your being and you say no. That is perfectly okay.

But to discourage others who choose a different path is an entirely different thing.

[django]

No one can "take away your sins," it's claiming too much. Your karma is your karma, for you to figure out, and anyway the highest guru is the guru within.

The most true guru would be trying to connect you only with your guru within, or at least supplying you with the tools to do it yourself, not directly taking away your sins - as if this were even possible.

[sentient]

Surrender your senses into your own mind,
not into the mind of another person.
Surrender your mind into your own intelligence,
not to a man, woman, or institution.
Surrender your intelligence into pure consciousness,
not to the consciousness of another human.
Surrender everything you think you are into the
pure inner light of guru within,
not a self-proclaimed guru without.
(Swami Jnaneshvara)

Originally Posted by django

No one can "take away your sins," it's claiming too much. Your karma is your karma, for you to figure out, and anyway the highest guru is the guru within.

The most true guru would be trying to connect you only with your guru within, or at least supplying you with the tools to do it yourself, not directly taking away your sins - as if this were even possible.

I agree with you - yet ....

When you have a heart – to heart discussion ……… does it matter whose heart it is?
When you experience non-duality with someone ……. does it matter whose non-duality it is?
Inner or outer becomes a bit blurry at that point.

[django]

Originally Posted by sentient

Surrender your senses into your own mind,
not into the mind of another person.
Surrender your mind into your own intelligence,
not to a man, woman, or institution.
Surrender your intelligence into pure consciousness,
not to the consciousness of another human.
Surrender everything you think you are into the
pure inner light of guru within,
not a self-proclaimed guru without.
(Swami Jnaneshvara)




I agree with you - yet ....

When you have a heart – to heart discussion ……… does it matter whose heart it is?
When you experience non-duality with someone ……. does it matter whose non-duality it is?
Inner or outer becomes a bit blurry at that point.

It would matter to me yes. Thinking about it just now maybe I do have a guru which is Jesus. I would consider him to be a true guru, but I don’t know if Jesus applies as a guru according to this thread.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by django

It would matter to me yes. Thinking about it just now maybe I do have a guru which is Jesus. I would consider him to be a true guru, but I don’t know if Jesus applies as a guru according to this thread.

Is Jesus inner or outer guru?
Or is it both?

[django]

Originally Posted by sentient

Is Jesus inner or outer guru?
Or is it both?

Maybe both, I don't really know, I've never thought about it before.

[running]

Originally Posted by django

No one can "take away your sins," it's claiming too much. Your karma is your karma, for you to figure out, and anyway the highest guru is the guru within.

The most true guru would be trying to connect you only with your guru within, or at least supplying you with the tools to do it yourself, not directly taking away your sins - as if this were even possible.

bliss and silence dissolves karma. it has no dog in the fight. its wisdom is bliss and silence. non dual in that it is causeless. whether its from a transmission the expereince comes or from ones self its going to do the only thing it does. everything surrenders to it. but like everything things take time. to be really significient would take spending a huge amount of time with one whom shiness enough and open to it. but more realistically its more about igniting that from within. because then it is not bound to circumstance. being around so and so or what not. but again takes time and lots of it. little by little. one can experience the dissolving. so its not a theory. but experiencing of it.

[running]

Originally Posted by sentient

Is Jesus inner or outer guru?
Or is it both?

outer until it becomes inner. jesus or anything else. outer then inner.