Non-duality doesn't exist.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by neil

We only ever exist in the present moment. And the present moment has an effect on any new present moment.

You spoke of projecting into a moment in time. Yes of course that is not time travel as time travel is impossible. Because we only exist in the present moment.
Yes a person can project or leave their body, however such an experience is only ever projecting or experiencing OBE in the present moment, moment by moment.

Dark minded spiritual beings who so constantly surround us, do discretely & unlovingly utilize all manner of spiritually magical abilities of the mind, to quite easily alter & influence the mind of an Earthling, so that an Earthling will believe that the Earthling is in another reality in a past or future time or dimention. And they utilize this filthy trick without an Earthlings ever becoming aware of it.

And this is not my belief, but my experiences.

I agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

Non-duality doesn't exist, because the polar opposite of non-duality is duality. And together they are duality. You cannot have only one side of a coin.

Edit: Never-mind I got lost.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin
Non-duality doesn't exist, because the polar opposite of non-duality is duality. And together they are duality. You cannot have only one side of a coin.

A non-dual plane would be another plane of existence. There can be anything, including whatever non-duality might be.

When dealing with such concepts reasoning is mostly irrelevant.

Koan suggestions: imagine a multi-dimensional non-duality ..., imagine a nothingness ... :)))

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by inavalan

A non-dual plane would be another plane of existence. There can be anything, including whatever non-duality might be.

When dealing with such concepts reasoning is mostly irrelevant.

Koan suggestions: imagine a multi-dimensional non-duality ..., imagine a nothingness ... :)))

I know it's just semantics. Non-existence doesn't exist. And duality is just referring to variety. Variety can be two. But also three. Or four. However, it is actually infinite.
Edit: shortened

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

I know it's just semantics. ...

tdlr ... ?

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by inavalan

tdlr ... ?

sry I shortened it. otherwise its offtopic.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Ewwerrin

I know it's just semantics. Non-existence doesn't exist. And duality is just referring to variety. Variety can be two. But also three. Or four. However, it is actually infinite.
Edit: shortened

What 'happened', Ewwerrin'? Why did you choose to 'shorten' the post (I was emailed the 'original' version as a result of the forum's automatically running 'notification' program).

I thought what you wrote was one of the best riff's on the subject I have ever read! Was going to add just a little pertaining to the "no thought" issue when I clicked the thread link - because I think that if one is aware there is always some kind of 'wonder' (which is a kind of 'thought' which may be experienced as 'silent' going on in the 'background' of one's 'mind' and therefore appear to not 'exist') associated with such awareness. The real 'key' to re-solving ( dispersing?) any dysphoria which may be experienced in connection with 'such' thought-awareness is to re-mind one's self that Life is really wonder-fully grand and (so) look for and consequently then undo 'negative' associations one might be experiencing (in the frame-context of one's present awareness) as a result of ones past experiences and bodily conditioning.

Just plain physical 'tiredness', for instance, can result in one's experiencing the flow of one's awareness as a 'bummer' - which is why trying to 'meditate' when one is physically 'tired' or emotionally 'beat' is not a good idea! One will more than likely not experience one's thoughts and feelings as in relation to Life as being positively wonder-full and enjoyably 'rich' then.

With your permission (I certainly wouldn't do it otherwise!) I would very much like to 'resurrect' what you originally wrote by copying and re-posting it here (maybe your would agree to that is we hash out your reasons for deleting it first). What you composed is just too 'rich' for me to comfortably 'let slide' (folks who haven't already posted in this thread and so aren't currently on the 'notification' list would then miss out on something that is, IMO, gloriously wonder-full!).

Sincerely -

David

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

duality is really very simple. You draw a line in the sand, then you say 'look on this side of the line is ____' and 'look on that side of the line is ____'. Do this over and over and you have lots of things... The trick used by some of the ancients is to quit drawing lines in the sand, then you don't have two different things to point to and they seem together...

Yes, the sand on both sides of the line is the same sand. the line separates.

Non-duality doesn't exist.

Yes it does,I can assure you.That is all I will say,carry on folks.

[Unseeking Seeker]

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Topic: Non-duality doesn't exist

It exists says the one upon experiencing samadhi

Yes, oneness does not exist says the one who has not so vaporised mind-body

Knowing being by becoming, the affirmations we make are as of our own direct experience. Arguments are futile.

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