Suicide as part of a life lesson?

[sattvicmonkey]

Hi,

They say we come to planet earth to grow and learn lessons. And it's usually taken that suicide is counter-productive to that.

But what if the suicide itself was an intended lesson to learn?

People will tell you those who commit suicide are cowards (something I find insensitive) yet voluntarily going into the abyss of death could also be seen as quite a courageous thing.

I agree we should generally discourage people from it, and that it's a 'permanent solution to a temporary problem', but perhaps occassionally God actually wants it to happen and it is pre-determined?

[Michelle11]

My perception is that it is never planned or encouraged by the soul but the conditions of a particular life could make it a possibility but I do not believe it is something expected. I don't suspect we are ever judged for leaving but I think the soul hopes we are able to stick it out so we can progress faster past the tough lesson. My perception is that we are here to find the healthy solution, by trail and error. Sometimes in the journey we make unhealthy choices to fix our troubles and maybe sometimes that includes suicide but I suspect our soul does everything in its power to try and avoid it. So I don't think it is ever planned but it could be a potential life path if the life is a rough one for the human aspect of the soul to handle. But I agree, trying to help others find another solution is the way to go.

[offthechain225]

Originally Posted by Michelle11

My perception is that it is never planned or encouraged by the soul but the conditions of a particular life could make it a possibility but I do not believe it is something expected. I don't suspect we are ever judged for leaving but I think the soul hopes we are able to stick it out so we can progress faster past the tough lesson. My perception is that we are here to find the healthy solution, by trail and error. Sometimes in the journey we make unhealthy choices to fix our troubles and maybe sometimes that includes suicide but I suspect our soul does everything in its power to try and avoid it. So I don't think it is ever planned but it could be a potential life path if the life is a rough one for the human aspect of the soul to handle. But I agree, trying to help others find another solution is the way to go.

An interesting perception Michelle. I would like to point out many unhealthy souls continue to live on and not take their own lives. Many seemingly healthy and powerful souls do however. I think that a collaboration of souls interconnect and create a contract. The life path and contract terms are played out in life (lives). As with most contracts, agreements must be kept.

[Native spirit]

Every person has free will no contract is made between souls so there is no agreement.so there is nothing to carry out.


Namaste

[offthechain225]

So you are essentially making a comparison of universal wisdom of a soul and the free will of a person. Not even the same level. Try to think outside the box and realize the picture is bigger than you could possible imagine.

[Starman]

In my opinion, we are here to grow ourselves, grow a particular type of consciousness, and in growing that particular type of consciousness we encounter challenges related to our growth; growing pains if you will. The greater the challenge, once conquered, the greater the reward.

Problems are challenges to our growth, and given that we have a fight or flight response, some choose to meet those challenges while others bow out. I see nothing wrong with backing away from a challenge; we can get tired of facing obstacles head on all the time, and trying to figure out how to negotiate them.

My esoteric studies say that nothing travels in a straight line, our journey is circular. The same challenges come around again, and again, until we have mastered them. Our return is a spiral journey that goes into greater vistas, into more expansive heights when we meet the challenges, even reincarnation is a circular journey; often referred to as a “wheel” of birth and death.

Our conscious waking mind is manual, we pull the lever to make a decision and assign labels like “good” and “bad” to those decisions, while our sublime consciousness is automatic, it knows the journey, and has already decided to see the journey through regardless of the situation. There is no good or bad, there is just the understanding that you are the path that you are on.

[offthechain225]

Originally Posted by Starman

In my opinion, we are here to grow ourselves, grow a particular type of consciousness, and in growing that particular type of consciousness we encounter challenges related to our growth; growing pains if you will. The greater the challenge, once conquered, the greater the reward.

Problems are challenges to our growth, and given that we have a fight or flight response, some choose to meet those challenges while others bow out. I see nothing wrong with backing away from a challenge; we can get tired of facing obstacles head on all the time, and trying to figure out how to negotiate them.

My esoteric studies say that nothing travels in a straight line, our journey is circular. The same challenges come around again, and again, until we have mastered them. Our return is a spiral journey that goes into greater vistas, into more expansive heights when we meet the challenges, even reincarnation is a circular journey; often referred to as a “wheel” of birth and death.

Our conscious waking mind is manual, we pull the lever to make a decision and assign labels like “good” and “bad” to those decisions, while our sublime consciousness is automatic, it knows the journey, and has already decided to see the journey through regardless of the situation. There is no good or bad, there is just the understanding that you are the path that you are on.

Very well put Starman. May I ask what your esoteric studies involve and your source of learning? You have a great grasp of the concepts.

[Starman]

Originally Posted by offthechain225

Very well put Starman. May I ask what your esoteric studies involve and your source of learning? You have a great grasp of the concepts.

I have been looking into myself for many decades now, learned how to quiet my mind and do meditation back in the 1970’s, have had many out-of-body experiences, and coupled my experiences with various studies, including comparing and contrasting the world’s religions, studying both eastern and western spiritual practices, Hermetic philosophy, esoteric psychology, and a host of other works over the decades. But what I referred to in my post came from the Hebrew Kabbalah, an esoteric work on the mystical nature of human consciousness.

P.S. Thanks for the comment.

[linen53]

Originally Posted by Starman

There is no good or bad, there is just the understanding

Yes, understanding.

[linen53]

Suicide is not a permanent solution in my humble opinion because the soul lives on. A life ended by suicide is just a blimp on the timeline of our incarnations. If we aborted and ended our life by our own hand we will just have to come back and learn said lessons again at some time. Maybe next time that particular lesson gets chosen to be learned we will take a different approach.