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It's just a choice. You can't be an individual, an ego, without the dual wall.
Hardly anybody has much interest in dropping all their beliefs and opinions
and being egoless. So hardly anybody is without the dual wall.

We create the ego, so we create and sustain the dual wall.
The ego can't remove the dual wall. If ego exists so does the wall.
That's what the ego does, makes a difference between me and you.
Me and that.

The bummer is the ego wants to remove the wall. The ego wants to be enlightened too.
It will never happen. One guru said it's like a horse trying to get into it's own saddle. It's impossible.

You and me will never be without the dual wall. We will never be enlightened.
But when we drop ourselves, the wall is gone, and what is....
as soon as you describe it you are an ego again.

In agreement with your post.
And about the above ... Since I am not a “Confucius say” person, but a “Trungpa say” person:
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There is some arrogance that prevents you from opening up completely. If you let go of your self-centered watcher, you won’t be able to see yourself becoming a fantastic person. What would be the fun of that?

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My "guru" answer to that would be there are no emotional obscurations and cognitive obscurations and nothing is being blocked. We are just choosing to keep our attention on our mind and thoughts. It creates the problem and solution. Both are just the shiny lights of ego saying look here. The now is always empty and that emptiness is an endless labyrinth to be explored. But it is the true unknown and only the unknown can experience it and explore it.

You don’t address emotions here, you say we are just choosing to keep our attention on mind and thoughts. You can choose to not attend to thoughts perhaps, but can you choose to not attend to emotions and stay psychologically healthy?

This is something I’ve been at for decades, IME clearing the mental and emotional channels does allow the wisdom mind stream to emerge.
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‘Awakened’ is beyond being psychic and beyond intuition, it is the ultra rare achievement, but this doesn’t mean it’s not possible, and not worth devoting your life to.

ok. so now you agree with me.
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It's just a choice. You can't be an individual, an ego, without the dual wall.
Hardly anybody has much interest in dropping all their beliefs and opinions
and being egoless. So hardly anybody is without the dual wall.

We create the ego, so we create and sustain the dual wall.
The ego can't remove the dual wall. If ego exists so does the wall.
That's what the ego does, makes a difference between me and you.
Me and that.

The bummer is the ego wants to remove the wall. The ego wants to be enlightened too.
It will never happen. One guru said it's like a horse trying to get into it's own saddle. It's impossible.

You and me will never be without the dual wall. We will never be enlightened.
But when we drop ourselves, the wall is gone, and what is....
as soon as you describe it you are an ego again.


its just something you become open to. it takes time to make a home in oneself. in the process all sorts of things can block it. after some time of expeeinces of it. to becoming permenant in the living expereince. the dual can live along side the non dual. its a paradox.

you go from the expereince of the mind and the emotional body. to that and bliss and silence which is ever going as its causeless and not manufactured from oneself. as its only something that one can become open to.
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ok. so now you agree with me.

Multiple siddhis that persist are an indication that you are travelling in the right direction, and an ego trap if you take any one single siddhi as proof of some ultimate attainment.

There is more than this I agree, but we differ on the nature of the more.
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Multiple siddhis that persist are an indication that you are travelling in the right direction, and an ego trap if you take any one single siddhi as proof of some ultimate attainment.

There is more than this I agree, but we differ on the nature of the more.

yeah i disagree then. i certainly have seen no evidence of it being a sign to put it mildly.
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yeah i disagree then. i certainly have seen no evidence of it being a sign to put it mildly.

Maybe the difference there is our perception of what counts as a siddhi. When someone has a siddhi because they are truly opening to the wisdom mind stream the information they receive is phenomenal.
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Maybe the difference there is our perception of what counts as a siddhi. When someone has a siddhi because they are truly opening to the wisdom mind stream the information they receive is phenomenal.

it just has nothing to do with information. information is for making decisions. bliss and silence is causeless. no decision.

im not suggesting psychics and mediums or even my personal experinces with such isn't phenomenal. im just saying its irrevelant.
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continued. but again im just speaking my mind. long day waiting at the shipper. thanks for sharing what your objective is on your path.
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it just has nothing to do with information. information is for making decisions. bliss and silence is causeless. no decision.

im not suggesting psychics and mediums or even my personal experinces with such isn't phenomenal. im just saying its irrevelant.

I understand that silence and bliss have nothing to do with information, but to understand the nature of reality information is required, for example information about the subtle body and how to develop it. Not everyone will see this as valuable or necessary, but not developing the subtle body is the equivalent of being a metaphysical cripple who has been taught to just accept their lot in life as is.
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