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08-12-2019, 12:15 AM
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What are all the verses saying the Father and Jesus are the same being?
Are there more reasons or verses in the Bible that point to God and Jesus being different beings...
one, the Father/one, a child of the Father or son?
How many say they are the same being? Are there more of those?
I'm being lazy --asking others to find them, I know, sorry. 
And discussion on the topic is fine.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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08-12-2019, 12:58 AM
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I'd suggest (hoping you don't mind) to not take others' word about it, written or spoken, but to get in touch with your inner higher source (through prayer or other form of inquiry), and ask. I'm sure you'll get the most trustworthy answer.
(Again, I made this suggestion with the best intentions.)
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08-12-2019, 02:17 AM
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interesting, your list will be long-ish, but here is one from the Odes. This could pre-date even the gospels if the early dating is correct
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The Man who humbled Himself, but was exalted because of His own righteousness.
The Son of the Most High appeared in the perfection of His Father.
And light dawned from the Word that was before time in Him
The Messiah in truth is one. And He was known before the foundations of the world, that He might give life to persons for ever by the truth of His name
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just to add some spice it says the Word was in Jesus not was Jesus |
08-12-2019, 02:21 AM
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Do you really want Judaism and Christian scriptures?
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08-12-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Are there more reasons or verses in the Bible that point to God and Jesus being different beings...
one, the Father/one, a child of the Father or son?
How many say they are the same being? Are there more of those?
I'm being lazy --asking others to find them, I know, sorry.
And discussion on the topic is fine.
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I personally feel Jesus is both God and Man, as we all are.
We have a Human Nature and a Divine Nature...
God becomes as we are ( Human) so that we may be as he is ( Divine). |
08-12-2019, 12:46 PM
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I love this verse:
John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
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The truth.
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08-12-2019, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatMan
I love this verse:
John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
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I love,
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘ before Abraham was born, I am '
It's so deep. |
08-12-2019, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sky123
I love,
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘ before Abraham was born, I am '
It's so deep.
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Why do you say "It's so deep"?
Common knowledge speaks of Jesus having a pre-human existence. Jesus was the first born of creation and everything else was created by him (Jesus). So of course, Jesus existed before Abram.
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Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.
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08-12-2019, 09:31 PM
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You are a dear...I personally have no question. 
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Originally Posted by inavalan
I'd suggest (hoping you don't mind) to not take others' word about it, written or spoken, but to get in touch with your inner higher source (through prayer or other form of inquiry), and ask. I'm sure you'll get the most trustworthy answer.
(Again, I made this suggestion with the best intentions.)
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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08-12-2019, 09:41 PM
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#1 John 14:9 "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip*?
he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
*(An aside, seems we have Philip reincarnated right here on our Forum - Kah-Len.) __________________
#2 John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘ before Abraham was born, I am '
It's so deep.
(Now technically this one doesn't infer Jesus was God Himself, tho.)
Thank you for these.
New Testament, please. Thanks BJ.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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