What are all the verses saying the Father and Jesus are the same being?

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by sky123

I and the Father are ONE......

I have felt that a few times myself...didn't maintain that awareness...workin' on it!
It's my life's ultimate Goal...union...going back to my Source, Creator Father God...the individualized ego being undone.

Will this upset those that think this is impossible? Probably.
Though, Jesus seemed to be be teaching we could be like him....he was leading the way, my take.
Thank you, Jesus.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Thank you - very along the lines of the topic.
Very appreciated.
I do think the, 'Jesus as son, Father as Father', verses out weigh the -
"The Father and I are one" verses.

Our Father Who art in Heaven...another one clearly that the Father is not Jesus/ Jesus is not the Father.
Are their minds and hearts and intentions the same? Yes, most definitely - was Jesus so far the only one
to do so or be so...I think so!
That's just my take - if someone thinks the opposite, ok.

What about Hypostatic Union....

Fully God, fully Human.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by sky123

What about Hypostatic Union....
Fully God, fully Human.

Don't make me look that up!!!!!
Could you explain that further? Where did that term even come from?

Can our brain/mind/soul be in a human body and experience being God?
I think that is what this whole place is about...no?
For us to reach our full potential.

Have yogis reached that - I think some have...I sure have read a lot of
amazing stories...and not the silly ones
where Sai Baba made something materialize in his hand...diff stories.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Don't make me look that up!!!!!
Could you explain that further? Where did that term even come from?

Can our brain/mind/soul be in a human body and experience being God?
I think that is what this whole place is about...no?
For us to reach our full potential.

Have yogis reached that - I think some have...I sure have read a lot of
amazing stories...and not the silly ones
where Sai Baba made something materialize in his hand...diff stories.

Jesus Christ being both God and man.
' I and my Father are one '


Two nature's, human and divine. Jesus as a human, God as Divine.

Or.... Individuality in Oneness.





'Can our brain/mind/soul be in a human body and experience being God? '

Originally Posted by sky123

Individuality in oneness

As you can see the same principle of the church as being the body of Christ....many individuals, one body......

[sky]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I have felt that a few times myself...didn't maintain that awareness...workin' on it!
It's my life's ultimate Goal...union...going back to my Source, Creator Father God...the individualized ego being undone.

Will this upset those that think this is impossible? Probably.
Though, Jesus seemed to be be teaching we could be like him....he was leading the way, my take.
Thank you, Jesus.

Yes I have also experienced it as you have, but it's fleeting. That's the reason I firmly believe
Jesus is God, but we all are

[sky]

Originally Posted by Molearner

As you can see the same principle of the church as being the body of Christ....many individuals, one body......

Exactly.

Here is something to ponder....."Flesh begets flesh, spirit begets spirit"(John 3:6). As mortals we tend to define separateness by form. Spirit has no form(if it does draw me your best picture of spirit). So when we insist on being separate the idea of form creeps into our minds. Remember that "the wisdom of God is foolishness to man".

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Thank you - very along the lines of the topic.
Very appreciated.
I do think the, 'Jesus as son, Father as Father', verses out weigh the -
"The Father and I are one" verses.

Our Father Who art in Heaven...another one clearly that the Father is not Jesus/ Jesus is not the Father.
Are their minds and hearts and intentions the same? Yes, most definitely - was Jesus so far the only one
to do so or be so...I think so!
That's just my take - if someone thinks the opposite, ok.

Maybe we should define the Father?
Who is he?
Do we know him?

We use words with very little discrimination that at times the words have almost no meaning. To make things more difficult, translating from Hebrew to Koine Greek and eventually to English brought about a lot of problems.

For example, what we call the Father, when was that introduced into the Bible? Isaiah 63:16 acknowledges in Hebrew that our Father is Yahweh. And when was Yahweh introduced? Yahweh, in Hebrew, was introduced in Genesis 2:4. What entity(s) were introduced before Yahweh? It was the Elohim first mentioned in Genesis 1:1 who was/were responsible for the first creation account.

Now the Trinity doctrine claims Jesus is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God. What was God called in the Old Testament? In Hebrew, it is Elohim.

Now back to the original question pertaining to scriptures that claim Jesus is the Father. From the above, the Father is Yahweh which some translate into English as Jehovah. From Genesis 1:1-2:3 - the first creation account was by Elohim. If we leave it at that, we have Elohim creating everything and then Jesus/Jehovah creating and being Gods of this World. That concept fits perfectly with the Mormon's belief on the subject.

The word Christ in it's meaning tells
me that Jesus is joined to the the Father
as One via the anointing.