twin flame theory

[jro5139]

Originally Posted by Angel44

This is my opinion only:

Every soul will live many lifetimes having many experiences to eventually one day discover who they really are. We will be murderers/prostitutes/rapists/husbands/wives/mothers/fathers etc before we finally have a spiritual awakening. That spiritual awakening may get a jumpstart via a death, illness, divorce, a major loss, and yes by meeting and losing a soul connection/TF. Yes growth is normally started through misery. Why, because one finally realizes all of the outer trappings do not make one happy and never will. I always thought my happiness would come through a relationship, so when TF came along and the love was like no other, I thought I was there (happiness). When he left me I was devastated and this started my awakening. And of course I’ve learned that true happiness can never come from outer things (relationships, money, possessions, etc) because when you lose these things, you lose your fake happiness.

Some of you on this board are not here during this lifetime to have a spiritual awakening but eventually you will. So my tf experience, synchronicities, miracles, spiritual experiences, etc...you will never understand because you are not there yet. This is not a put down or anything of the sort. It just is. Your time is coming! A spiritual awakening is a difficult yet beautiful experience. My Tf had a small part to play but make no mistake, this is about me and my relationship with Source, my journey to Oneness. Yes I did start off wanting a relationship with him but I now know I don’t need a relationship with anyone for my happiness. I live in a new city, no friends, no dating, no family, no job etc just me myself and I. I’m HAPPY!!

A TF relationship is a Divine relationship. Just because you call it a TF relationship doesn’t make it one. Everyone on this board is not in a TF situation!! But I do sometimes wonder why those who don’t believe in TF relationships bother posting to this board. Some people don’t believe in diseases, so why would they go to a cancer board and post that it’s not real?

25, 30, 40 yrs married does not mean one is in a TF or even a soulmate relationship. Longevity does not equal success!

“You don’t measure love in time. You measure love in transformation. Sometimes the longest connections yield very little growth, while the briefest of encounters change everything. The heart doesn’t wear a watch - it’s timeless. It doesn’t care how long you know someone. It doesn’t care if you had a 40 year anniversary if there is no juice in the connection. What the heart cares about is resonance. Resonance that opens it, resonance that enlivens it, resonance that calls it home. And when it finds it, the transformation begins…”

Jeff Brown

Yes! This is the best post I've read, couldn't agree more!

To me, tfs and soul connections are more about the instant connection that is just there from the beginning. It's also (to me) more about the spiritual aspect, than longevity or working with someone over time to build a relationship.
I don't want to say that couples who sweat it out and remain together for 40 years don't have something special, but that is something that I could build with just about anyone as long as there is some attraction and commonality. A soul connection is either there or it isn't, it's not something you can build over time.

[JosephineB]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Could be....but why cold/robotic? I'd have said level-headed.
Lynn expressed just what's necessary: I do feel at times that feeling deeper connections and giving it a name does a lot of harm as we forget that its emotions driving most of the connection. It is when we step outside those emotions and are able to see things on the pure spiritual side of things, to take the time to unravel

I can't see how a person can hope to find their uncluttered, undeluded, unadulterated Self if they can be tossed this way and that by emotions.
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Then again, perhaps I'm robotic and cold.

Take crying for instance, thank god for that I say, it's like a pressure valve release for me, of which I'm very grateful for. I like this quote: "feeling our feelings is a blessing, not to be taken for granted". All part of this planes experience I say. Like I said, balance is key imo.

[Xavier Perez-Pons]

I am a television screenwriter, and many years ago I was commissioned to write a comedy script (a sitcom) whose main theme was that of soulmates. I didn't know anything about it, so I tried to document myself. But the books on the subject that I found in bookstores specialized in esoteric themes, treated the subject very superficially without any reference to ancient authors (except Plato). As I was in love, I was curious and for a few years I became a bookworm. I discovered that the theory of soulmates has an extensive list of ancient authors who supported it or included it in their worldview. From medieval Kabbalists such as Moisés de León or Josef Gikatiglia or the last great master of the Kabbalah, Isaac Luria, through Sufi wise men such as Ibn Arabi, Ruzbehan de Shiraz, etc. In the European Renaissance we have the Fedeli d'Amore and the Italian Hermeticists (Pico de la Mirandola, Leon Hebreo ...) Without forgetting the alchemists. Even the "matter of Brittany" (the cycle of arthuric novels) and other ancient literary traditions (the History of the Pearl, for example) both Western (Tristan and Isolde ...) or Oriental (Shakuntala, The Story of Genji ...) they explicitly speak of the counterpart of each of the souls who fell into this world and then split into two halves. Mystics and Christians savants like Jean Scotto Eurigena or the Gnostics of the time of Jesus Christ ... The list is endless. Suffice it to say that the book in which I detail all this cluster of ancient references about soulmates has 700 pages! So this theory is backed by the mystical intuition of lots of ancient sages. It is not an invention of the New Age as many people think.

[FairyCrystal]

Originally Posted by Xavier Perez-Pons

I am a television screenwriter, and many years ago I was commissioned to write a comedy script (a sitcom) whose main theme was that of soulmates. I didn't know anything about it, so I tried to document myself. But the books on the subject that I found in bookstores specialized in esoteric themes, treated the subject very superficially without any reference to ancient authors (except Plato). As I was in love, I was curious and for a few years I became a bookworm. I discovered that the theory of soulmates has an extensive list of ancient authors who supported it or included it in their worldview. From medieval Kabbalists such as Moisés de León or Josef Gikatiglia or the last great master of the Kabbalah, Isaac Luria, through Sufi wise men such as Ibn Arabi, Ruzbehan de Shiraz, etc. In the European Renaissance we have the Fedeli d'Amore and the Italian Hermeticists (Pico de la Mirandola, Leon Hebreo ...) Without forgetting the alchemists. Even the "matter of Brittany" (the cycle of arthuric novels) and other ancient literary traditions (the History of the Pearl, for example) both Western (Tristan and Isolde ...) or Oriental (Shakuntala, The Story of Genji ...) they explicitly speak of the counterpart of each of the souls who fell into this world and then split into two halves. Mystics and Christians savants like Jean Scotto Eurigena or the Gnostics of the time of Jesus Christ ... The list is endless. Suffice it to say that the book in which I detail all this cluster of ancient references about soulmates has 700 pages! So this theory is backed by the mystical intuition of lots of ancient sages. It is not an invention of the New Age as many people think.

Indeed it isn't. The TF story begins at the start of Atlantis which is when we first got a physical body and thus were 'split' in 2: a masculine and feminine half. This is also when the longing to be together started as with the separating also came having emotions and feelings related to being separate and being in a physical body.
Before that time there was Lemuria, a very high vibrational realm where the beings were energy beings only -so no physical vessel- and androgynous.

This all is part of our descension from Source, which I suppose will also be documented in some old books by great philosophers, maybe even in the bible itself.
Must say it is nice to read from somehow here who gets this story and has researched it.

[TheMotherKnowsAll]

Originally Posted by Akira

I agree that yes sometimes people get hardwired into obsessing about theories. Relationship is the core area for this, think of stalkers, unrequited love, obsession, clinging to people that neither want or need the love of the person.

Yet this does not negate that every single person is entitled to their beliefs, even if it is unhealthy, even if it does tear them apart.

I have to disagree. In my opinion (just my opinion) people are not entitled to beliefs if they hurt other people with them. In the case of the TF community (not the theory, the community) there are those that use the umbrella of the theory as an excuse to continue to pursue someone who has said no. No means no, and no louder than it ever hasten in todays modern society. Calling it a divine connection or using borrowed verbiage from the TF theory does not make it any less of a crime.

You say that it is a core belief of yours that people can believe anything that serves them. I think that is very dangerous. What if the thing that serves them is a bad thing? There are many people who would use that to mean that if it makes them feel good they can base their actions on any theory or idea that covers them getting their way. That would not be a good thing, and could even be used to justify crimes, etc. The polygamist cults that married multiple young girls to older men springs to mind. A shared religious belief, or mania, used to justify the desire of a few men to take advantage of young girls. Respect for others has to be maintained and laws have to be followed. Maybe I am reading too much into your words, you may have meant a thing that hurts no one else, I didn't mean to assume and go so far off topic.

My son has dyslexia and dysgraphia, So I realize what an effort goes in to reading small type and adding comments for you Very nice meeting you.

[TheMotherKnowsAll]

Originally Posted by Xavier Perez-Pons

I am a television screenwriter, and many years ago I was commissioned to write a comedy script (a sitcom) whose main theme was that of soulmates. I didn't know anything about it, so I tried to document myself. But the books on the subject that I found in bookstores specialized in esoteric themes, treated the subject very superficially without any reference to ancient authors (except Plato). As I was in love, I was curious and for a few years I became a bookworm. I discovered that the theory of soulmates has an extensive list of ancient authors who supported it or included it in their worldview. From medieval Kabbalists such as Moisés de León or Josef Gikatiglia or the last great master of the Kabbalah, Isaac Luria, through Sufi wise men such as Ibn Arabi, Ruzbehan de Shiraz, etc. In the European Renaissance we have the Fedeli d'Amore and the Italian Hermeticists (Pico de la Mirandola, Leon Hebreo ...) Without forgetting the alchemists. Even the "matter of Brittany" (the cycle of arthuric novels) and other ancient literary traditions (the History of the Pearl, for example) both Western (Tristan and Isolde ...) or Oriental (Shakuntala, The Story of Genji ...) they explicitly speak of the counterpart of each of the souls who fell into this world and then split into two halves. Mystics and Christians savants like Jean Scotto Eurigena or the Gnostics of the time of Jesus Christ ... The list is endless. Suffice it to say that the book in which I detail all this cluster of ancient references about soulmates has 700 pages! So this theory is backed by the mystical intuition of lots of ancient sages. It is not an invention of the New Age as many people think.

Thank you for the detailed information. I will look it up and read over. Many of the references I am familiar with, but some are new to me. Thanks again!

[TheMotherKnowsAll]

There is some disagreement between posters of whether the TF relationship and process is of the divine, or given/created by divinity or purely of the human/individual soul. Opinions?

[TheMotherKnowsAll]

Originally Posted by jro5139

Yes! This is the best post I've read, couldn't agree more!

I don't want to say that couples who sweat it out and remain together for 40 years don't have something special, but that is something that I could build with just about anyone as long as there is some attraction and commonality. A soul connection is either there or it isn't, it's not something you can build over time.

I absolutely agree with this. As I said earlier, I think that a good amount of the longevity of a relationship is a conscious decision. You choose to stay married, not avail yourself of available partners, work through problems, etc. Also, I think how good your relationship is can be a choice as well, thought I guess you are rowing a leaky boat if the will to put in the work isn't present in both partners. Some people seem to have it easier, have more of a clear and endless bond, soul mates? TF? I don't know which, some have to work a lot harder, place on the journey? willing ness? maybe some stubbornness, again, I don't know which, likely a pick of this and a pinch of that.

Originally Posted by Angel44

This is my opinion only:

Some of you on this board are not here during this lifetime to have a spiritual awakening but eventually you will. So my tf experience, synchronicities, miracles, spiritual experiences, etc...you will never understand because you are not there yet. This is not a put down or anything of the sort. It just is. Your time is coming! A spiritual awakening is a difficult yet beautiful experience. My Tf had a small part to play but make no mistake, this is about me and my relationship with Source, my journey to Oneness. Yes I did start off wanting a relationship with him but I now know I don’t need a relationship with anyone for my happiness. I live in a new city, no friends, no dating, no family, no job etc just me myself and I. I’m HAPPY!!

Nice bit of sandwich board prophesy but who are you to lecture me? Of course I don't understand your particular experiences or beliefs because I cannot experience your experiences through your sensory systems/memory etc. I can't believe your beliefs because they're formulated by you, not me. I'm here. "Spiritual awakening" doesn't come into it. To me it's a sparking of broadened awareness. A sudden realisation about relevance....

A TF relationship is a Divine relationship. Just because you call it a TF relationship doesn’t make it one. Everyone on this board is not in a TF situation!! But I do sometimes wonder why those who don’t believe in TF relationships bother posting to this board. Some people don’t believe in diseases, so why would they go to a cancer board and post that it’s not real?

Have a look at this section's title..........
I have a soulmate.

“You don’t measure love in time. You measure love in transformation.

Measure? Who would try to measure love...or transformation. You'd need progress benchmarks for that. What do you mean by "love."? I won't ask you what it is because it's a construct for which there's no universal definition. Pse excuse me saying so but that comes across as rather specious.

Sometimes the longest connections yield very little growth, while the briefest of encounters change everything. The heart doesn’t wear a watch - it’s timeless. It doesn’t care how long you know someone. It doesn’t care if you had a 40 year anniversary if there is no juice in the connection. What the heart cares about is resonance. Resonance that opens it, resonance that enlivens it, resonance that calls it home. And when it finds it, the transformation begins…”
Jeff Brown

If you say so but understand, not everyone can accord with these beliefs. It all happens in the limbic system.


Please note, these are just my views.

[FairyCrystal]

Originally Posted by TheMotherKnowsAll

There is some disagreement between posters of whether the TF relationship and process is of the divine, or given/created by divinity or purely of the human/individual soul. Opinions?

You cannot separate those two. We ARE of the Divine. We are all Divine sparks, TF or no. As such TF journey is part of the Divine, but so are 'normal' relationships. Life on Earth is Divine. The Divine is not outside of us like religion has taught us for thousands of years.