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Old 21-10-2013, 05:14 PM
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When I took Yoga teacher training, one of the things that came up was the idea of "what is meditation"? From reading the Yoga Sutras by Patanjali, the answer was that meditation is an unbroken stream of awareness.

I like this answer, because it doesn't mean there is a right or wrong way to meditate. Anything that you do to perceive an unbroken stream of awareness can be considered meditation.

In that regard, the ego can be a part of meditation. It can claim to be what is meditating. And in some ways it would be right, but only so long as there is a realization that you are not only your ego.
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Old 21-10-2013, 07:03 PM
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I meditate on the heart. At the beginning i give a suggestion that there is divine light without luminosity in the heart where it beats. And then give attention on heart. But don't force or concentrate just be in waiting attitude ignoring all the thoughts that arise.

I like this "Drop the idea that there is ego". Ignoring all that currently we have, we go deeper..and obviously that is more peaceful and loving inner self.
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Old 21-10-2013, 07:07 PM
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Klairic..which book you read on "Yoga sutras of Patanjali"..?
I know that he gave Astanga Yoga..which gave 8 steps..Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhya, Samadhi.

I heard that he also advised to meditate on the heart according to my Master.
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Old 22-10-2013, 09:32 AM
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By thinking it is the Ego that cannot meditate, you yourself is the one creating separation within. It is you who cannot meditate and Yoga can invite you inside that moment to understand why. It is not about taking a part of you and exclude it, it is about becoming whole with your Self. Simply drop the idea that there is an Ego to separate you and you now are on a path towards becoming whole within.

Some if not many within unity will discover that there is no higher or lower realities, there only is reality and how you think of it. And some might not.
I guess you're right, I'm giving too much credence to what is ultimately an illusion of my own making.

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Another way I've found useful is to have something touching the area I want to meditate on (such as my finger, my hand, or a crystal), and the physical sensation makes focusing on that area easier.
I like that, sounds simple but effective! I'll give it a go.
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Old 22-10-2013, 12:26 PM
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I guess you're right

Or wrong. As far as my understanding is, it is like this: Every source is true to its own origin. Change its point of origin and you have changed its source of creation, thus changing its truth. I have no notion of an Ego within myself, yet still others who have a notion of an Ego in themselves might see a reflection of their Ego in me... thus they might think I certainly have one. The same way when you have no notion of Ego then there is no Ego that can reflect within others, thus "suddenly" you exist in a world without Ego. End of a ramble...
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Old 26-10-2013, 03:04 AM
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Klairic..which book you read on "Yoga sutras of Patanjali"..?
I know that he gave Astanga Yoga..which gave 8 steps..Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhya, Samadhi.

I heard that he also advised to meditate on the heart according to my Master.

The Yoga Sutras are often misinterpreted as being told to do things a certain way. The intent behind them is not to say "do this and you will become enlightened". Rather, Patanjali had some advanced students that thought would only need a little bit more to push them over the edge to their "spiritual awakening". It's not about the actions being offered, but rather where they will hopefully take you.

The steps that work for one person could be different than what will work for another.

What is the intent behind wanting to meditate on your heart?
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Old 26-10-2013, 03:08 AM
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I meditate on the heart. At the beginning i give a suggestion that there is divine light without luminosity in the heart where it beats. And then give attention on heart. But don't force or concentrate just be in waiting attitude ignoring all the thoughts that arise.

I like this "Drop the idea that there is ego". Ignoring all that currently we have, we go deeper..and obviously that is more peaceful and loving inner self.

Ignoring those thoughts can be a subtle form of "concentrating" on them.

What is it that can ignore or not ignore the thoughts?
What happens if you don't concentrate on them or ignore them? (as in, just let them be without doing anything... imo - ignoring them is a "doing", as you're still making the meditation about those thoughts)
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Old 26-10-2013, 11:47 AM
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Ignoring those thoughts can be a subtle form of "concentrating" on them.

What is it that can ignore or not ignore the thoughts?
What happens if you don't concentrate on them or ignore them? (as in, just let them be without doing anything... imo - ignoring them is a "doing", as you're still making the meditation about those thoughts)
Agree with that, that's the whole point of being the witness - the witness watches, s/he doesn't get involved. Bit like being at a crime scene and you can't break the police tape.

All right, I'm not sure if equating your mental landscape to a crime scene is so helpful, but you know what I mean
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