Why are sidefects of spirtual awakening and schizophrenia coinciding for many people?

[Tuesday]

When mind is distorted, it is important to seek help. Western medicine is a very effective way to get the chemicals and beliefs in the mind and body work properly again. There are other options too, but i have not yet met anything that helps as much as western medicine and healthy and balanced lifestyle.
When one goes far enough in the path, they start to sense energy. This can be confusing, it might be new. But when it becomes disturbing, it's not about spiritual growth, its about being ill.
Spiritual growth means more clarity, the mind and body become clearer so you are actually less affected by things. Be they thoughts, energies, sensations, beings.
Spiritual growth is in no way a negative thing and never will be. If it is, it is something other than spiritual growth.

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

I've spent many years in psychotherapy, taking various meds trying not to let the sleeping fools "grind me down" and get to me but so far, nothing has worked.

One can't keep on running from unresolved childhood trauma and find acceptance and peace of mind.

What you don't resolve persists.

Face the demons,find the silver lining.

Originally Posted by Tuesday

When mind is distorted, it is important to seek help. Western medicine is a very effective way to get the chemicals and beliefs in the mind and body work properly again.

How does western medicine help when they only look at one side of the coin?

When your a paying customer,do they have your best interests at heart?

Have a pill,on your way.

Let's not deal with the root cause.

[Tuesday]

Which side is that?
That with mental illness they have noticed that there is an imbalance in your brain or some learned behaviour patterns caused by genetics or trauma and other things? And they try to help you recover that trauma with, yes pills (which actually work great for many types of illnesses from diabetes to schizophrenia) and therapy and cognitive working methods which are actually going to the root cause of things.
Yes the problem with western medicine is that it's not holistic, or if it is, it's usually after the illness have gotten so bad that it's already hard to recover. (ie it's hard to get therapy and people are mostly dealt with medication.)
I'm not saying western medicine is perfect, but there are many good attributes to it which makes the dealing with illness a lot easier than with acupuncture for example.

Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie

Let's not deal with the root cause.

Actually yes, if you find the right kind of therapy. I've just finished my second round of CBT and I feel like a new person, and I've spoken to others who have the same to say.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cognit...l-therapy-cbt/

Originally Posted by Greenslade

The side effects are not coinciding, the side effects are the same. The only real difference is the labels people hang on them for their own reasons, thinking you're Spiritual has much more kudos than acknowledging you have a mental health issue.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4031576/

I'm on the schizophrenia spectrum, I have a 'fractured' personality due to childhood trauma.

While people in the fields of mental health, psychology, neurology etc. can encompass Spirituality, for the most part Spiritual people can't encompass anything other than Spirituality.
https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mental-hea...-mental-health

It's only a problem when people aren't being honest with themselves. Sometimes a 'Spiritual Awakening' may not be an awakening, it could be nothing more than the person fooling themselves into thinking that they are bigger/better than they really are - ego on the rampage. One of the problems with Spirituality is that there are no objective criteria as to whether a person is Spiritual or not, or whether they are awakened or not. Declaring yourself as being Spiritually Awake can mean anything you like but underpinning that could be cognitive dysfunction.
https://psychcentral.com/lib/in-dept...ioral-therapy/

Hi there. I can fully empathise with your comments as I have experience of people going through same. I can also empathise with people going through awakening, as I have also experienced this. The 2 issues are different, and both unique to the individual. As an empath and highly sensitive , I take on board , and " feel" for both parties ... Both issues.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

The side effects are not coinciding, the side effects are the same. The only real difference is the labels people hang on them for their own reasons, thinking you're Spiritual has much more kudos than acknowledging you have a mental health issue.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4031576/

I'm on the schizophrenia spectrum, I have a 'fractured' personality due to childhood trauma.

While people in the fields of mental health, psychology, neurology etc. can encompass Spirituality, for the most part Spiritual people can't encompass anything other than Spirituality.
https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mental-hea...-mental-health

It's only a problem when people aren't being honest with themselves. Sometimes a 'Spiritual Awakening' may not be an awakening, it could be nothing more than the person fooling themselves into thinking that they are bigger/better than they really are - ego on the rampage. One of the problems with Spirituality is that there are no objective criteria as to whether a person is Spiritual or not, or whether they are awakened or not. Declaring yourself as being Spiritually Awake can mean anything you like but underpinning that could be cognitive dysfunction.
https://psychcentral.com/lib/in-dept...ioral-therapy/

Some good thoughts, Greenslade. There's phenomena that return in both 'spirituality' and 'schizophrenia', it is probably not easy to (always) determine whether these are genuinely 'spiritual' or not. At other times, there's quite a lot of 'stuff' out there presented as 'spiritual' yet it's just psychological. Constantine seeing a cross in the clouds, and seeing it as a sign of God, is one such example. Much of astrology runs on psychology too, the believer making it fit to his/her life experience.

I don't think it is wise in general to declare oneself as ''spiritually awake'' or even 'spiritual' for that matter, the louder people bark the harder they fall.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Elabr8Aspie

What you don't resolve persists.

Deep! Kudos Aspie!!

Re-solve indeed!

Can't be done by choosing to become 'nothing', mindless, etc. except for 'a time' (respite) IMO, because one is what one is, and "wherever 'you' [your soul-energy-pattern] go, there 'you' are."

My understanding is that even in those case where a (nodal) soul chooses not to 'return' and 'deal with' (i.e. 'work' to re-solve) one's soul pattern (i.e. 'karma') and thereby 'ceases' to exist as such, said soul's 'characteristic' energy is just dis-assembled and re-assembled in 'new' or 'fresh' soul-energy combinations - according to what several of Michael Newton's clients have said in their life-between-life regression sessions at least. (If I remember correctly, this topic is discussed in the Chapter 4, titled 'Spiritual Energy Restoration', in his book Destiny of Souls: New Case Studies of Life Between Lives. Click here for its complete Table of Contents: https://www.newtoninstitute.org/book...l-newton-2000/

I also found what is shared at of http://www.healpastlives.com/pastlf/...t/kdschizo.htm very meaningful in relation to the many of the issues discussed in this thread.

Note: I just endorse the above 'sources' as presenting potentially functional 'working hypotheses'. I have no first-hand (or even second-hand!) 'knowledge' in the above regards.

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Actually yes, if you find the right kind of therapy. I've just finished my second round of CBT and I feel like a new person, and I've spoken to others who have the same to say.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cognit...l-therapy-cbt/

Excellent,have you identified and named your first coping mechanism?

Originally Posted by davidsun

Deep! Kudos Aspie!!

Re-solve indeed!

Can't be done by choosing to become 'nothing', mindless, etc. except for 'a time' (respite) IMO, because one is what one is, and "wherever 'you' [your soul-energy-pattern] go, there 'you' are."

My understanding is that even in those case where a (nodal) soul chooses not to 'return' and 'deal with' (i.e. 'work' to re-solve) one's soul pattern (i.e. 'karma') and thereby 'ceases' to exist as such, said soul's 'characteristic' energy is just dis-assembled and re-assembled in 'new' or 'fresh' soul-energy combinations - according to what several of Michael Newton's clients have said in their life-between-life regression sessions at least. (If I remember correctly, this topic is discussed in the Chapter 4, titled 'Spiritual Energy Restoration', in his book Destiny of Souls: New Case Studies of Life Between Lives. Click here for its complete Table of Contents: https://www.newtoninstitute.org/book...l-newton-2000/

I also found what is shared at of http://www.healpastlives.com/pastlf/...t/kdschizo.htm very meaningful in relation to the many of the issues discussed in this thread.

Note: I just endorse the above 'sources' as presenting potentially functional 'working hypotheses'. I have no first-hand (or even second-hand!) 'knowledge' in the above regards.

Hi davidsun,

Thanks and with those two links,i stopped buying into other peoples stories and accounts some time ago.

But that said,that second link i found interesting,cause it tied in with something i was working on this morning.

Cheers