The Hidden Human History Movie - Spirit Science

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Altair

I'm pretty certain historians and archaeologists would love any evidence of this because it would create new jobs and an interest in their fields, and more financial support from governments. There is no conspiracy against alternative points of view.

As for "Government support"...

At sites like Gunung Padang in Indonesia and also at Adam's Bridge in India, the Government has pulled funding for further exploration based upon a "limited budget" and not much Government funding is available in certain countries for archaeological exploration anyway.

https://www.wowshack.com/graham-hanc...adang-pyramid/

So much for trying to find evidence without money or when the Government won't let you dig or dive.

[Altair]

Yes, we can read about their beliefs and how they interpret certain things but there's no science involved. What we need is actual remains of this glorious non-human ancient race, their culture, their cities, their technology, etc. Crystal Skulls, ''giant'' bones, and things like that are often false or forgeries. Let them present the evidence and not make excuses of ''Oh it's gone..'' and ''There's a conspiracy network working against me..''

With alternative explanations, often we're being either deliberately duped or presented with false interpretations and the filling of gaps with religious beliefs. We can read books and the beliefs of others and the ''connections'' they make and the gaps they fill but what I want to see is some real evidence instead. Filling gaps with religious beliefs is not parsimonious, which is fundamental to science; go with the explanation that offers the least assumptions.

So godly interventions, aliens, space ships, crystal skulls, giants, dragons, prehistoric futuristic technology, etc. are all nice and valuable to an individual belief system but not to science.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Altair

Yes, we can read about their beliefs and how they interpret certain things but there's no science involved. What we need is actual remains of this glorious non-human ancient race, their culture, their cities, their technology, etc. Crystal Skulls, ''giant'' bones, and things like that are often false or forgeries. Let them present the evidence and not make excuses of ''Oh it's gone..'' and ''There's a conspiracy network working against me..''

With alternative explanations, often we're being either deliberately duped or presented with false interpretations and the filling of gaps with religious beliefs. We can read books and the beliefs of others and the ''connections'' they make and the gaps they fill but what I want to see is some real evidence instead. Filling gaps with religious beliefs is not parsimonious, which is fundamental to science; go with the explanation that offers the least assumptions.

So godly interventions, aliens, space ships, crystal skulls, giants, dragons, prehistoric futuristic technology, etc. are all nice and valuable to an individual belief system but not to science.

If in 10,000 years, an advanced race sought to find evidence of OUR culture, what would they find?

Cars and most metals would rust into an unrecognisable heap after a hundred years or so...

Masonry and brickwork would crumble back into the clay from which it was made...

That is why our ancestors built using interlocking stone walls...The ONLY thing that would survive for thousands of years!

Would an advanced species say that we did not exist because they could not find any evidence of it and would they be justified saying/believing that because there is no "proof"?

Suffice to say, from your reply, I take it that you have not read anything written by those authors I referenced and I COULD say that the proof you seek will be found in a Graham Hancock book..

However, because your beliefs prevent you from finding out the truth (which goes back to what I was saying before), you won't read a book you believe to be "woo-based" even if the evidence you seek would be contained within it because you have already made your mind up about these authors and books without even reading a single one of them because you simply do not NEED to, to have your skepticism justified, isn't it?

So, with that...and with it being near midnight in Sydmey and close to my bedtime, I shall bid you and this thread a find adieu as I have nothing further to add at this point in time. Goodnight.

[Altair]

Shivani..
What you describe is called negative evidence..
''There was X or Y but it's all gone now''..

So why should I believe it then? I see no solid reason to believe in godly interventions, alien interference, super human races, or high tech ancient civilizations. Hancock and the others do not offer evidence for these things, not from what I recall, but if you feel they do feel free to show it. I shouldn't have to read anything for that matter, I'm not making claims about godly or alien interventions.

Again.. there's nothing wrong if you believe in those things, but it's non-parsimonious and lacks evidence, and therefore obviously seen as alternative.
Have a good night. :)

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Altair

Shivani..
What you describe is called negative evidence..
''There was X or Y but it's all gone now''..

So why should I believe it then? I see no solid reason to believe in godly interventions, alien interference, super human races, or high tech ancient civilizations. Hancock and the others do not offer evidence for these things, not from what I recall, but if you feel they do feel free to show it. I shouldn't have to read anything for that matter, I'm not making claims about godly or alien interventions.

Again.. there's nothing wrong if you believe in those things, but it's non-parsimonious and lacks evidence, and therefore obviously seen as alternative.
Have a good night. :)

Where is the evidence? Here it is:

https://www.riaanbooysen.com/enigmas

Please read ALL three pages....Page 2 being especially significant. Just how DID the ancient Egyptians make that granite bowl with such amazing accuracy that we cannot even copy it today with all our modern technology?

Why can't we do a lot of things today they did with relative ease back then? Why? We are more technologically advanced than the ancient Egyptians were, so we SHOULD be able to do it and yet, we cannot...Why?

A granite bowl will be something that will last for 10,000 years! but we cannot make a granite bowl.... and so, in 10,000 years, our current civilization would have NEVER existed, because all evidence will be "negative evidence" to a future skeptic...So we don't even exist, do we?

Now, if you cannot accept that as being evidence of an "advanced civilization" FAR more advanced and intricate than our own...(with or without outside "help") then, there is nothing more I can offer you because I realise that you simply will not accept anything as evidence if it goes against what you already believe AS a skeptic.

....and now I have located that, I am off.

[running]

Originally Posted by Altair

Yes, we can read about their beliefs and how they interpret certain things but there's no science involved. What we need is actual remains of this glorious non-human ancient race, their culture, their cities, their technology, etc. Crystal Skulls, ''giant'' bones, and things like that are often false or forgeries. Let them present the evidence and not make excuses of ''Oh it's gone..'' and ''There's a conspiracy network working against me..''

With alternative explanations, often we're being either deliberately duped or presented with false interpretations and the filling of gaps with religious beliefs. We can read books and the beliefs of others and the ''connections'' they make and the gaps they fill but what I want to see is some real evidence instead. Filling gaps with religious beliefs is not parsimonious, which is fundamental to science; go with the explanation that offers the least assumptions.

So godly interventions, aliens, space ships, crystal skulls, giants, dragons, prehistoric futuristic technology, etc. are all nice and valuable to an individual belief system but not to science.

two things we know for sure.

1. politics played a huge role in writing history. if an archeologist rocked the boat. concluded evidence that was not in line with academia. your gone. as happend for simply giving accurate evidence even in north america.

2. nobody alive today can fathom a realistic way to duplicate what they built.


therefore its all now speculation. aliens not being any crazier than what academia is touting. would like to know whats in the pipe their smoking. heavy duty stuff i assume. thinking people will buy it. arrogance= ignorance.

[Altair]

Yeah I took a look at the website, Shivani. It's interesting that they collected a lot of sites but their conclusions are mostly conjecture. I mean you really believe the Giza pyramids were aligned with some constellation because someone else says so? There's no evidence whatsoever for such claims. Sphinx? We've discussed that, and how it's more parsimonious to assume an oasis, or a Nile flood some few thousands of years ago, something the website avoids.

This sort of stuff is similar to Christians interpreting minor flood stories across the world as proof of Genesis, or large animal bones as proof of giants, or how David Icke will focus singularly on snake symbolism across cultures as proof of shapeshifting reptilians. None of this is actual science but making premature and far fetched conclusions.

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Why can't we do a lot of things today they did with relative ease back then? Why? We are more technologically advanced than the ancient Egyptians were, so we SHOULD be able to do it and yet, we cannot...Why?

We don't built pyramids either. We have different specialisations and so did they..
There's simply not any need whatsoever to believe the work was done by aliens, gods, or a super human race..

Originally Posted by Shivani

A granite bowl will be something that will past for 10,000 years! but we cannot make a granite bowl.... and so, in 10,000 years, our current civilization would have NEVER existed, because all evidence would be "negative evidence" to a future skeptic...So we don't exist, do we?

It's simply not relevant to us now, and it also doesn't actually prove that there were alien interferences, gods amongst men, high tech civilizations in the ancient world.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Altair

Yeah I took a look at the website, Shivani. It's interesting that they collected a lot of sites but their conclusions are mostly conjecture. I mean you really believe the Giza pyramids were aligned with some constellation because someone else says so? There's no evidence whatsoever for such claims. Sphinx? We've discussed that, and how it's more parsimonious to assume an oasis, or a Nile flood some few thousands of years ago, something the website avoids.

This sort of stuff is similar to Christians interpreting minor flood stories across the world as proof of Genesis, or large animal bones as proof of giants, or how David Icke will focus singularly on snake symbolism across cultures as proof of shapeshifting reptilians. None of this is actual science but making premature and far fetched conclusions.


We don't built pyramids either. We have different specialisations and so did they..
There's simply not any need whatsoever to believe the work was done by aliens, gods, or a super human race..


It's simply not relevant to us now, and it also doesn't actually prove that there were alien interferences, gods amongst men, high tech civilizations in the ancient world.

Personally, I am not a fan of David Icke...talk about a man with a wild imagination!

Personally, I believe in Aliens because I have met/seen them and so it is not a question of believing they exist, but knowing they do...and the way Aliens appeared to me, were as amorphous, energetic beings consisting of light without heat and who could communicate telepathically... nothing more than this...no "lizard people"...no "greys"...in fact, they don't even require mechanised spacecraft to travel from "point A" to "point B".

As for the Pyramids lining up with Orion...The temples at Angkor Wat also line up with the constellation of Draco...and when we speak about the Pyramids, the shaft in the queen's chamber lines up with Sirius...is it just a coincidence? Possibly...but it is a very nifty one.

Do I believe just because a person has said so? Not so much because they say so, but because they pointed out something I never noticed before, causing me to go "how cool is that?" Like when the Dogon tribes of Africa make mention of creatures coming from Sirius B....many years before Sirius B was even discovered! What another nifty coincidence! The accepted view of history is FULL of coincidences that don't require any explanations, isn't it?

We are also not discussing technological "specialisation" or even IF we are, what does "specialisation" have to do with how advanced a civilization is? The fact remains that with all of our modern technology, we cannot make a granite bowl or a pyramid even if we WANTED to! AND we do not have devices which interact with and amplify the human energy field... AND we are only beginning to experiment with sonic weapons, when the ancients knew full well about these things.....also, studying the acoustic properties of sites like Stonehenge and Gobleki Tepi yields amazing results!

As for the snake symbology in primative cultures...I am going all out here in saying that this has less to do with "Reptilians" and more to do with the symbology of Kundalini energy... but that is a story for another day.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Shivani

Personally, I believe in Aliens because I have met/seen them and so it is not a question of believing they exist, but knowing they do...and the way Aliens appeared to me, were as amorphous, energetic beings consisting of light without heat and who could communicate telepathically... nothing more than this...no "lizard people"...no "greys"...in fact, they don't require mechanised spacecraft to travel from "point A" to "point B".

That's cool. I never take anything away from people's personal experiences. There's a difference however in people's personal experiences as well as spirituality and our observable, physical world. The two should not be liberally mixed..

Originally Posted by Shivani

Like when the Dogon tribes of Africa make mention of creatures coming from Sirius B....many years before Sirius B was even discovered! What another nifty coincidence! The accepted view of history is FULL of coincidences that doesn't require any explanations, isn't it?

We have not observed any 'creatures' from 'Sirius B'.

Originally Posted by Shivani

As for the snake symbology in primative cultures...I am going all out here in saying that this has less to do with "Reptilians" and more to do with the symbology of Kundalini energy... but that is a story for another day.

I personally would agree with that. Snakes are often a symbol of spiritual wisdom. Icke went baloney (I read one of his books in detail) putting all reptile symbolism under one umbrella using it as 'proof' for reptilian control of human culture and society. That's my issue.. people forget to discriminate between cases and use all of it to support a specific belief system. The same occurs with pyramids. The fact we even call the 'pyramids' of Central America or Asia pyramids is telling enough, even though they had a different function from those in Egypt and were built in different eras, but they may be lumped together to fit some belief system that the ''ancients'' were all living together communicating with one another, even though that clearly didn't occur.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Skeptics toppled the power of the church? The Vatican (and their archives) and all the political leaders of Western nations would all say otherwise. Nice wishful thinking there.

(By the way...If ANYTHING was to topple the power of the church, it would not be skeptics, it would be pedophile priests... let's get logical here).

The Earth IS flat - for those who believe it is....or else, human beings do NOT create their own reality....like every spiritual person out there would have us all believe that we DO...So, either the Earth is flat, or we do NOT create our own reality...we cannot have it both ways, so choose very wisely my friend. ;)

In that the belief in flat earth is delusion, it doesn't make much difference, because everyone lives as though it is flat and the day to day belief is 'flat earth', but we also know there is a bigger picture, and we can only see a small part of the elephant. Flat Earthers make the mistake of thinking that the small part which they can see is the whole truth. The wise understand that the Earth appears flat to them, but the small part they see is not the whole truth, and the 'whole elephant' is a tiny ball in an enormous universe.