How Indian Scriptures Make BIBLE an Authentic Document ?

[Baile]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

Which goes back to 'all personal truths are subjectively relative'.

The Ultimate Truth is not.

And who or which religion or path, knows what The Ultimate Truth is? Or that such a thing even exists? This is my last reply. I don't argue with Christians for this same reason. No point in a dialogue when someone will just use their ultimate truth sledgehammer with every response that doesn't fit their belief paradigm.

"Let's have an open chat... but in the end, I know what ultimate truth is and that overrides anything you think and say."

Religion: group spirituality.
Spirituality: individual wisdom path.
So uncomplicated. So angst-free. So easy to happily enjoy, either way.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Baile

Religion: group spirituality.
Spirituality: individual wisdom path.
So uncomplicated. So angst-free. So easy to happily enjoy, either way.

I can agree with that anyway.

Some people perform better in a group, like I do and some people perform better alone.

I have tried 'going it alone' but the existential isolation was the killer, so I have embraced religion.

Thus I will take my hat off and give full credit to those who don't need the support of others...who don't need fellowship...who can do without the teachings...

Only God can judge us all on Judgment Day...so I guess we'll have to wait until then to see what God says about it.

Hence the 'bias' you see....but I shall kerb any 'born again' tendencies in future...rest assured.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by OPVerma

In science personal belief have no place. Only TRUTH prevails.

Another understanding, religion versus spirituality:

The primary impulse behind Religion is answers.
Belief in external truths.
The primary impulse behind Spirituality is questions.
Examining internal truths.

[sky]

Originally Posted by markings

Terrible, just terrible.
So one-sided it is hard to believe.

I don't think it's terrible but each to their own.

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

I have just skimmed it over, but how I see it is:

Religion: An institution based on certain teachings, rituals and practices that can be shared by people in a group setting. Where people who believe in the same things can come together, talk about it and share their experiences within that framework.

Spirituality: A solo path based on no teachings or a handful of those cherry picked from a multitude of different beliefs. There is no 'common denominator' in spirituality, so there's no coming together...no understanding because there's nobody out there that follows exactly the same path you do.

Religion formalises it, makes a nice digestible meal out of it and it's up to the individual to decide whether they want to eat it or not because there's nothing else on the menu.

Religion is for those people who require a sense of belonging...of validation...of 'like minded people' who believe in 'the same things'.

Jesus said "wherever two or more are gathered in my name, I will be there".

Not: "if you go about this individually and on your own, I will be there"...oh no.

Excellent response.

Let's get it straight... What people think of as "spirituality", I.E. New Age, psychics, and the like?
It all strokes EGO.
While true religion, I. E., "Salvation" by God's grace and mercy serves to repress it.
And?
Evil and Ego are related.

[markings]

Originally Posted by The Necromancer

Spirituality: A solo path based on no teachings or a handful of those cherry picked from a multitude of different beliefs. There is no 'common denominator' in spirituality, so there's no coming together...no understanding because there's nobody out there that follows exactly the same path you do.

This is a rather one-sided view. Are you saying that monks and nuns, Christian or otherwise, are not on a spiritual path?

Being in a community does not exclude one from being on one's own path. To manage that with skill is a function of the community's spiritual director.

What you are writing about is an outflow of the 'me, me, me' culture which has grown deep roots in Western society. Therefore it is a sign of spirituality gone astray.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by markings

This is a rather one-sided view. Are you saying that monks and nuns, Christian or otherwise, are not on a spiritual path?

Being in a community does not exclude one from being on one's own path. To manage that with skill is a function of the community's spiritual director.

What you are writing about is an outflow of the 'me, me, me' culture which has grown deep roots in Western society. Therefore it is a sign of spirituality gone astray.

Fair enough. I shall thus acquiesce to the standard dictionary definition of spirituality as an adjective in the second scenario:

spiritual
ˈspɪrɪtʃʊəl,ˈspɪrɪtjʊəl/
adjective
adjective: spiritual

1.
relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.
"I'm responsible for his spiritual welfare"
synonyms: non-material, inner, psychic, psychical, psychological; More
incorporeal, intangible, other-worldly, unworldly, ethereal;
transcendent, mystic, mystical, numinous, metaphysical;
rareextramundane, immaterial
"the spiritual dimension of human experience"
antonyms: physical, material, corporeal, mundane
having a relationship based on a profound level of mental or emotional communion.
"he never forgot his spiritual father"
(of a person) not concerned with material values or pursuits.
2.
relating to religion or religious belief.
"the country's spiritual leader"
synonyms: religious, sacred, divine, holy, non-secular, church, churchly, ecclesiastic, devotional
"spiritual music"