Spiritual Forums

Home


Donate!


Articles


CHAT!


Shop


 
Welcome to Spiritual Forums!.

We created this community for people from all backgrounds to discuss Spiritual, Paranormal, Metaphysical, Philosophical, Supernatural, and Esoteric subjects. From Astral Projection to Zen, all topics are welcome. We hope you enjoy your visits.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest, which gives you limited access to most discussions and articles. By joining our free community you will be able to post messages, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos, and gain access to our Chat Rooms, Registration is fast, simple, and free, so please, join our community today! !

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, check our FAQs before contacting support. Please read our forum rules, since they are enforced by our volunteer staff. This will help you avoid any infractions and issues.

Go Back   Spiritual Forums > Spirituality & Beliefs > Spirituality

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 07-03-2017, 04:24 AM
HealerW HealerW is offline
Seeker
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 47
 
Shoulda coulda woulda

In hindsight, I should have posted this thread in meditation and named it: "When Ego hinders meditation"...

But I'll add a thought or two to try to make more clear the main point of it, which is to clear the debris from one's mind so that proper meditation can occur, or at least, you've made a start to have the right environment.

I said that thoughts are the words of the language(s) that you speak. I mean by this that fundamentally, your thoughts were learned. I love the example of a newborn baby. I have a 2 week old girl. She is lying fast asleep next to me at this moment.

A few minutes ago, she was looking at me and making, as you might imagine, some adorable faces.

When I talk about the concept of thought, I mean those things that come into the mind and vie for your attention as an individual "I". Babies don't "think" in this way. They simply are. They are the love, awareness, and bliss that we all strive to achieve through our meditative practices. They have no concept of an individual I. In fact, when my daughter and I look at each other, eye to eye, I understand a separateness that she doesn't. To her, she and I are one. To her, there is no "out there". At two weeks old, she is all there is.

She knows no language, so she cannot formulate thoughts. She knows no separateness, so she has not encountered her ego.

She is as close to oneness in meditation as she will ever be in her life. This doesn't mean there aren't categories of influences like instincts and reflexes that cause her "sorrows" now and again. But this is the best way I know how to describe the major players (and complications) on meditation.

You and I simple were before thoughts came into our mind by the ego. When Jesus says, I Am, this is what he means. We all are. We just don't realize it because the ego brings separateness.

On a more philosophical level, I believe the ego separates us on planes much higher than the physical. The individual ego gets its start on the fifth plane (four above the physical plane). This is a topic for another thread.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-03-2017, 08:52 AM
Lorelyen Lorelyen is offline
Master
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: UK
Posts: 7,059
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherrish
It does indeed - not that one needs to cultivate ego. IMO, the real problem is when the ego thinks it is in charge. That, to me, is what the OP is really about.

Things really begin to click when ego is put in service of Spirit, IME.

Yes. Which is the realm of those still spiritually asleep, have yet to discover that it isn't the only "layer" of their being.

...
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-03-2017, 09:11 PM
shiningstars shiningstars is offline
Suspended
Experiencer
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 372
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HealerW
The Ego is a specific thought: "I", "me". Whenever you use the word I, you're introducing your ego.

Not completely true.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HealerW
The Ego is in a war with the Self, which is the real substance of who you are.

No it is not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HealerW
Try this: when you wake up, ask yourself who is there first. The awakened presence is the Self. But the moment thoughts start going through your head, the Ego is at his dirty business.

Personifying ignorance and delusion.

I think that no-one needs to imagine the ego is a big, bad, dirty word or plot. It is merely the veil of ignorance each person has over their own internal vision. Through sincerity and practices such as meditation, chanting, prayer, and other practices taught in spiritual traditions, this veil lifts naturally - without war or terror.


shiningstars
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-03-2017, 09:13 PM
shiningstars shiningstars is offline
Suspended
Experiencer
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 372
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HealerW
I have a 2 week old girl. She is lying fast asleep next to me at this moment.

Congratulations, HealerW - beautiful indeed and many blessings to you and your loved ones.

shiningstars
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-03-2017, 10:09 AM
Dan_SF Dan_SF is offline
Master
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,002
  Dan_SF's Avatar
The Ego is at war with your self, but your self is not at war with the Ego.

The Ego attacks, but your self does not respond.

To which extent you are identified with the ego, to that extent you will see war.

In eternity, the ego does not exists. Your self exists in eternity only, and the ego can not reach him, but it appears to fight yourself in time, which is an illusion.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shiningstars
Quote:
Originally Posted by HealerW
The Ego is in a war with the Self, which is the real substance of who you are.
No it is not.

So both statement are True from the perspectives of the each,but only one is Right in Truth.
__________________
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
God is Love, and therefore so am I. What is not of God, has no power to do anything.

emu.zone now with Desktop mates
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-03-2017, 06:37 PM
shiningstars shiningstars is offline
Suspended
Experiencer
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 372
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan_SF
The Ego is at war with your self, but your self is not at war with the Ego.

The Ego attacks, but your self does not respond.

To which extent you are identified with the ego, to that extent you will see war.

In eternity, the ego does not exists. Your self exists in eternity only, and the ego can not reach him, but it appears to fight yourself in time, which is an illusion.


So both statement are True from the perspectives of the each,but only one is Right in Truth.

No....

shiningstars
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-03-2017, 06:43 PM
shiningstars shiningstars is offline
Suspended
Experiencer
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 372
 
Ramana Maharshi

"Just see it for what it really is, that will be enough. It is the ego itself which makes an effort to get rid of itself, so how can it die? If the ego is to go, then something else must kill it. Will it ever consent to commit suicide? So first realise what the true nature of the ego is and it will go of its own accord. Examine the nature of the ego: that is the process of realisation. If one sees what one's real nature is, that itself will get rid of the ego. Until then is it just like chasing one's own shadow; the more one advances the more distant is the shadow. If we leave our own Self, then the ego will manifest itself. If we seek our true nature, then ego dies. If we are in our own Reality, then we need not trouble about the ego."
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-03-2017, 01:27 AM
HealerW HealerW is offline
Seeker
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 47
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shiningstars
No....

shiningstars
Truth is multi-faceted. I'm not sure what you're hoping to communicate by just telling me (and others) I'm incorrect. My truth Is revealed according to our vantage point.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-03-2017, 03:13 AM
shiningstars shiningstars is offline
Suspended
Experiencer
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 372
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HealerW
Truth is multi-faceted. I'm not sure what you're hoping to communicate by just telling me (and others) I'm incorrect. My truth Is revealed according to our vantage point.

I mean no disrespect to you, HealerW.

However, "truth is multi-faceted" has its limits, in my opinion.

For example, a carrot is a protein is also not accurate.

For clarity, I don't agreement with this statement: "The Ego is in a war with the Self, which is the real substance of who you are." I'm partial to the Ramana quote above as a different explanation.

Please understand I mean no offence.

shiningstars
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-03-2017, 04:24 AM
django django is offline
Master
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,056
  django's Avatar
When we fully realise the ego is illusory we will let the ego structure fall, but before this is fully realised ego still exists in 1000+ different disguises. It's as if it is real, and to discount it as illusory prematurely is just one more ego disguise.

It is a challenge for all of us to realise the nature of ego, the best way to do this that I have found is to examine the emotions and the mind, ego will then be revealed more easily.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 02:16 AM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) Spiritual Forums