No path or practise required.

[Iamit]

You are told so often that this or that has to be achieved for liberation. That there is this distance between you and your objective and given guidance as to how you may travel that distance.

In the spiritual supermarket there are many such stories offered to you (some even claim to be true:) along with only one story that requires nothing from you whatsoever for connection purposes. It is the non duality story that asserts that ALL is already complete just as it already is with no distance to travel at all for total unavoidable connection to the sublime no matter what your current state may be.

The latter is usually for those who have suspected all along that the answer is that things are already perfect just as they already are, or who have become disilussioned with progress on this or that path.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Iamit

You are told so often that this or that has to be achieved for liberation. That there is this distance between you and your objective and given guidance as to how you may travel that distance.

In the spiritual supermarket there are many such stories offered to you (some even claim to be true:) along with only one story that requires nothing from you whatsoever for connection purposes. It is the non duality story that asserts that ALL is already complete just as it already is with no distance to travel at all for total unavoidable connection to the sublime no matter what your current state may be.

The latter is usually for those who have suspected all along that the answer is that things are already perfect just as they already are, or who have become disilussioned with progress on this or that path.

When I hear people say things like this, I always wonder whether they are just repeating second-hand information which they may or may not actually believe ?

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

When I hear people say things like this, I always wonder whether they are just repeating second-hand information which they may or may not actually believe ?

Yes that is often the response when there is no attempt at discussion but rather a wish to undermine views disagreed with.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

When I hear people say things like this, I always wonder whether they are just repeating second-hand information which they may or may not actually believe ?

Originally Posted by Iamit

Yes that is often the response when there is no attempt at discussion but rather a wish to undermine views disagreed with.

Actually, one may agree with the view but is curious to see what made the other come to that conclusion.

My spiritual guide always said: "Question everything, including what I say, and if a teacher can't point to the direct experiences, then go elsewhere."

I am always curious to hear what direct experiences led people to the beliefs that they profess.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Actually, one may agree with the view but is curious to see what made the other come to that conclusion.

My spiritual guide always said: "Question everything, including what I say, and if a teacher can't point to the direct experiences, then go elsewhere."

I am always curious to hear what direct experiences led people to the beliefs that they profess.

Good. In my case it was a resonance with the concept All is One that started the inquiry into what that meant and its implications for the spiritual search.

Resonance for me is not thought but an experience defined as a vibration between frequencies that are in tune. In this case my frequency at the time and the frequency of the concept. The inquiry resulted in many difficulties consolidating the connection, mainly to do with stuff in myself and the world around me (mainly suffering) that I could not accept as Oneness manifest. Eventually all was gathered in and the process was complete and the end of feeling disconnected arose.

This does not of course work for everyone as characters vary but it should be out there among the various options on offer to seekers.

Perhaps you would like to share your experiences:)

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Good. In my case it was a resonance with the concept All is One that started the inquiry into what that meant and its implications for the spiritual search.

Resonance for me is not thought but an experience defined as a vibration between frequencies that are in tune. In this case my frequency at the time and the frequency of the concept. The inquiry resulted in many difficulties consolidating the connection, mainly to do with stuff in myself and the world around me (mainly suffering) that I could not accept as Oneness manifest. Eventually all was gathered in and the process was complete and the end of feeling disconnected arose.

This does not of course work for everyone as characters vary but it should be out there among the various options on offer to seekers.

Perhaps you would like to share your experiences:)

Quite reasonable.

Mine was an ongoing process that started with a near-death experience many years ago when I emerged symptom-free from a three-day "irreversible coma". During the comatose period, I was fully aware of everything in the room (doctors, nurses, last rites by Catholic priest, my body) from afar as well as things outside of the room. (For example, I could describe what my brother and sister were wearing down the hallway even though they never entered the room where my body was.) That was just the beginning and it led me to meditation which led me to even more remarkable discoveries. That, however, was the driving force/catalyst but it was just the very beginning.

When one stills the mind, one's true nature reveals itself. There is a very relevant Taoist expression: "In utter emptiness and complete silence, simply watch The Return." It is consistent with the Christian expression, "Blessed are the pure of heart for they shall see God", the Jewish Psalm, "Be still and Know that I AM God", and wisdom quotes from various other traditions.

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Iamit

You are told so often that this or that has to be achieved for liberation. That there is this distance between you and your objective and given guidance as to how you may travel that distance.

In the spiritual supermarket there are many such stories offered to you (some even claim to be true:) along with only one story that requires nothing from you whatsoever for connection purposes. It is the non duality story that asserts that ALL is already complete just as it already is with no distance to travel at all for total unavoidable connection to the sublime no matter what your current state may be.

The latter is usually for those who have suspected all along that the answer is that things are already perfect just as they already are, or who have become disilussioned with progress on this or that path.

Realization is not a belief or agreement. Yet if its something that brings you peace, it will do until the bottom of the pale breaks through.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

Realization is not a belief or agreement. Yet if its something that brings you peace, it will do until the bottom of the pale breaks through.

Well whatever it is, it is not necessary for connection purposes, for what else is there other than Oneness to manifest as unrealised!?

[no1wakesup]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Well whatever it is, it is not necessary for connection purposes, for what else is there other than Oneness to manifest as unrealised!?

Yes..again, if its a connection which comes by way of conceptual understanding, it's still serves the egoic mind/personality. When it all over, its not really a connection at all. More like an absorption-blend into what has always been the natural state or ground of being. From this no thingness, everything is.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by no1wakesup

Yes..again, if its a connection which comes by way of conceptual understanding, it's still serves the egoic mind/personality. When it all over, its not really a connection at all. More like an absorption-blend into what has always been the natural state or ground of being. From this no thingness, everything is.

But it doesn't matter who or what is being served for Oneness is already both and all.