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Old 14-11-2017, 08:27 AM
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Is there anything but ' Oneness ' We can feel separated from it but it's still there regardless....
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Old 14-11-2017, 08:45 AM
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Is there anything but ' Oneness ' We can feel separated from it but it's still there regardless....
Yes all is One, its simple isn't it ?.
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Old 14-11-2017, 09:20 AM
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Yes all is One, its simple isn't it ?.


Why do people make it so complicated,
You need a guru, you need a teacher, you need to meditate etc etc...
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Old 14-11-2017, 12:53 PM
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It really doesn't matter whether it is conceptual or not.


Of course it matters.

That is the entire point of spirituality to move one beyond a thought, a concept to the realization of.

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Thats just another exclusion or blind spot to seeing all as Oneness manifest, including concepts and understanding. In that sense whatever condition you might imagine for connection to Oneness does not have to be met.

Thank you for the offer of information. Please post whatever you are referring to.

That is a concept you are pushing.

If all you are doing is thinking all is Oneness so everything is ok and perfect they way it is because it is all oneness.

That is a mental concept.

When one has realized that they are everything and it all arises from within. When one can share that oneness with another that is the realization of.

The spiritual paths, the practices are designed to move one beyond the concept to the realization of and along the way the improvement in the quality of ones life.

Also for those interested Oneness and non duality are very different concepts in the spiritual path.

Oneness is that there is just One and the goal of the spiritual path is one of cessation, the end of suffering and a returning to the One.

Non dual is that everything has the same essence but we are each unique in that expression of that oneness based on our unique karma. We become One like Siva or as Jesus put it.

50. Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the chosen of the living Father.' If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"

The evidence is the realization of.. not a concept of...
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Old 14-11-2017, 02:05 PM
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I see non-duality as referring to the absence of separation not the realization of oneness... it's more about the falsehood of separation.
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Old 14-11-2017, 04:23 PM
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I see non-duality as referring to the absence of separation not the realization of oneness... it's more about the falsehood of separation.

It's equivalent, the same result - when realized - although in and through 2 different paths/approaches - and this is why so much confusion (and necessity to negate what is not one's personal preference).

What you describe in your quote above are 2 approaches:

"absence of separation" = the 'Neti-neti' path. (not this not that)

"realization of oneness" = the 'iti-iti' path (all is Brahman)

Its the same.
The same result.
The same realization.
by Different means.
In fact, be bold and switch what comes after the =.
No difference.

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Old 14-11-2017, 05:57 PM
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Of course it matters.

That is the entire point of spirituality to move one beyond a thought, a concept to the realization of.



That is a concept you are pushing.

If all you are doing is thinking all is Oneness so everything is ok and perfect they way it is because it is all oneness.

That is a mental concept.

When one has realized that they are everything and it all arises from within. When one can share that oneness with another that is the realization of.

The spiritual paths, the practices are designed to move one beyond the concept to the realization of and along the way the improvement in the quality of ones life.

Also for those interested Oneness and non duality are very different concepts in the spiritual path.

Oneness is that there is just One and the goal of the spiritual path is one of cessation, the end of suffering and a returning to the One.

Non dual is that everything has the same essence but we are each unique in that expression of that oneness based on our unique karma. We become One like Siva or as Jesus put it.

50. Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the chosen of the living Father.' If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"

The evidence is the realization of.. not a concept of...

Not so.

It depends how one defines what one is seeking. For example if the definition is to end feeling disconnected from Oneness, then nothing matters because whatever you come up with as mattering is always already Oneness manifesting as that!!! Including not realizing any of this!!
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Old 14-11-2017, 06:46 PM
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Not so.

It depends how one defines what one is seeking. For example if the definition is to end feeling disconnected from Oneness, then nothing matters because whatever you come up with as mattering is always already Oneness manifesting as that!!! Including not realizing any of this!!

That is a thought.

Of course it matters. You have either realized it or it is a fairy tale, a concept a belief that you are choosing to believe in. Not one that is you.

Pain, upsets are what manifests when you are attached. When you are still caught up in the belief.

Moving beyond the local mind is a realization of and beyond the local mind.. beyond the upsets.

Saying something doesn't matter.. is suppression.

It doesn't matter because I believe A or B..

Does not improve ones life.

True being or the realization of or in Buddhism true Wisdom is the fruit of the path.

It is beyond the concept of a thing.
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Non dual is that everything has the same essence but we are each unique in that expression of that oneness based on our unique karma. We become One like Siva or as Jesus put it.

50. Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the chosen of the living Father.' If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"
Wow! Is that from the Bible?
Never heard of it, but then again I don’t read the Bible.

Thankfully I do not have resistance to what Jesus represented, but it cannot be forgotten what so called Christians did to Shamans.
My own unique karmic residue puts: 'It is motion and rest' as: “It is the World Pole”.

Getting very biographical here:
First as a child you realize "non-duality" i.e. the same Spirit Essence with your Elder (your first “Guru”), which comes from your age old animist (everything has Spirit) beliefsrealized and besides, non-duality IS the “World Pole” view.

Then you meet your second “Guru”, a Christian integrated Shamanic person in your primary school, who by example shows you how to summon the Spirit, the Energy of that non-dual view.
Well, that is the Thunderbird/Holy Ghost, same thing really, but in different cultural wrappings.

When the Thunderbird or the Holy Ghost or the Cosmic Blue Pancake (Tengrist belief of the Eternal Blue Sky) starts to hover about you, asking if it can initiate you the 10th Gate (?) has opened. In other words, I think it is the Crown Chakra, but Crown Chakra in Shamanic mythology means the opening/smoke hole of the tent (the top of your ascend on the World Pole).

Once accepted, the Thunderbird Force Field or the Holy Ghost or the Cosmic Blue Pancake comes upon you like a ton of bricks and you have what is called the Shamanic Death or the Born Again experience.

This is when Non-duality as Oneness is realized.
But now that “Oneness” is your “Guru” and every situation in your life is a Guru.
So you either “make love with your Guru or become paranoid, claustrophobic and kill him”. (Metaphorically speaking).
Getting into Energies is very dangerous business. Once you get into it, there is a way of turning back, but not without dire consequences.

P.S. That Clear Light, is also a Sound, (that much I once upon a time realized).

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Old 14-11-2017, 09:05 PM
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Wow! Is that from the Bible?
Never heard of it, but then again I don’t read the Bible.

Getting into Energies is very dangerous business. Once you get into it, there is a way of turning back, but not without dire consequences.

P.S. That Clear Light, is also a Sound, (that much I once upon a time realized).

That quote is from the Gospel of Thomas

The text
http://community.livingunbound.net/i...f-thomas-text/

Discussion on the verses
http://community.livingunbound.net/i...as-discussion/


If you haven't realized you, your body, all things are energy.. That essence... you haven't realized Oneness.

I would also agree that doing any type of spiritual practice without a solid understanding of what you are doing can be dangerous. With the right foundation... on the other hand it can be amazing.
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