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Old 08-02-2013, 10:04 PM
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I have never encountered an Elemental (that I was fully aware was one at the time) But I once did encounter a "fey-like" Being on the Astral. I have no idea whether this creature was an Elemental or not...so with that said I can't help with any definite personal instances.

But I did a lot of reading about these kinds of things way back (in the early 80's) and read some books by Dion Fortune (British Occultist 1891-1946) -about her encounters with them. If you read any of her books you will probably be struck with her powerful common-sense, though now her writings can sound a little dated, (as they were written in the 1920's -30's) But the core of her works I feel are still valid and can give a lot of help. I haven't read her works for a very long time so have forgotten a lot, but believe she had at one time -a relationship with an Elemental (?) This was a bit hushed-up, and not perfectly clear. However she did write about Elementals in many of her works. (I have forgotten exactly which books she wrote about them in. But maybe you could investigate this?)
I seem to recall that an Elemental, not being of the Human evolution at all, though may be perfectly charming and interesting, etc, cannot possibly understand human needs, spiritual, emotional, or otherwise. And that it is inadvisable to form relationships with them as "equals"...we must appreciate them for what they are but we are so vastly different, that we can be led a bit down a blind alley by following an Elemental.
It's a Magician's/Occultist's usual way to respect these Beings and love them for what they are, but if associating with them, or having them work alongside a human, to have them under full control at all times.
Well that's what I gleaned from those old writings.

Tobi, the encounters I have had with elementals have been accompanied with a feeeling of love. Whether it was the state of being I was in which enabled me to become aware of them or if that says something about their own vibration, I do not know. I sense that elementals are victims of our own fear-based projections of them- they are indeed different in many ways, and if we truly sense them, we will sense their power, which has such importance to all life forms on Earth...which will likely unsettle anyone who fears that power.

I believe that rather than being 'separate' to the elemental kingdom, we humans are interesting creatures because we are part fire, wind, earth and water...we are juggling a human mind, desires, emotions and all the elements as opposed to being a specialist in any one element. I believe that when Humankind is in its element (excuse the pun!), we can be great stewards and co-creators. We understand so much about other creatures and yet have little understanding of ourselves as part of the community of life here, as we always separate ourselves off.

It may be true that an Elemental percieves reality very differently from humans, but I wouldn't fear that anymore than, say, a person who had a different viewpoint than me. It is your intention to them that is important- if you communicate an intention of harmlessness and love, then an elemental will similarly have nothing to fear from you. We humans have done despicable things to the planet, and even the most green-minded of us could offend an elemental by doing something unintentional- like disturbing an area of land to make a path- because they might not understand the context of our culture and the rules within them. I don't think any of these things make elementals 'bad', any more than humans are as a whole, it's just that they are governed by different priorities and more or less put all their energies into fulfilling those. Humans on the other hand are pulled in many directions and often lose our integrity...but that is part of being human and doesn't make us better or worse.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:54 PM
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Thanks runningwithbutterflies! This isnt my post, but i am happy to finally hear something like this in this post. I have been keeping my eye on this post and how it is unfolding, and have found this idea of elementals being so evil-like has been very unsettliing and off. That idea just doesnt make sense for me. My experiences very much connect more with what you wrote. I am really only responding so that others can see that more than one feel this way, maybe merriting the siuation another look.
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Old 14-02-2013, 04:00 AM
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Thanks runningwithbutterflies! This isnt my post, but i am happy to finally hear something like this in this post. I have been keeping my eye on this post and how it is unfolding, and have found this idea of elementals being so evil-like has been very unsettliing and off. That idea just doesnt make sense for me. My experiences very much connect more with what you wrote. I am really only responding so that others can see that more than one feel this way, maybe merriting the siuation another look.

Elementals can be just like any other being and be good natured, bad natured, and somewhere in-between. Everything I have read has stated this and I believe it to be so. Even the ones that would be considered a nicer nature are capable of doing things a person would consider bad. If you somehow angered them and damaged the element/land they have dominion over you better believe you are going to feel their wrath in some shape or form. The meanest of them is obviously going to be much more pronounced than the nicer ones. Then there are just some Elementals that are downright mischevious, they have more time than we can begin to imagine and they love playing games with people. That is what it appears this entity/Elemental/spirit or whatever it is is doing in my case. I cannot say for sure if it's an Elemental, just because it said so doesn't make it one. But it is definitely playing games.
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Old 15-02-2013, 01:08 AM
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Tobi, the encounters I have had with elementals have been accompanied with a feeeling of love. Whether it was the state of being I was in which enabled me to become aware of them or if that says something about their own vibration, I do not know. I sense that elementals are victims of our own fear-based projections of them- they are indeed different in many ways, and if we truly sense them, we will sense their power, which has such importance to all life forms on Earth...which will likely unsettle anyone who fears that power.

I believe that rather than being 'separate' to the elemental kingdom, we humans are interesting creatures because we are part fire, wind, earth and water...we are juggling a human mind, desires, emotions and all the elements as opposed to being a specialist in any one element. I believe that when Humankind is in its element (excuse the pun!), we can be great stewards and co-creators. We understand so much about other creatures and yet have little understanding of ourselves as part of the community of life here, as we always separate ourselves off.

It may be true that an Elemental percieves reality very differently from humans, but I wouldn't fear that anymore than, say, a person who had a different viewpoint than me. It is your intention to them that is important- if you communicate an intention of harmlessness and love, then an elemental will similarly have nothing to fear from you. We humans have done despicable things to the planet, and even the most green-minded of us could offend an elemental by doing something unintentional- like disturbing an area of land to make a path- because they might not understand the context of our culture and the rules within them. I don't think any of these things make elementals 'bad', any more than humans are as a whole, it's just that they are governed by different priorities and more or less put all their energies into fulfilling those. Humans on the other hand are pulled in many directions and often lose our integrity...but that is part of being human and doesn't make us better or worse.

RunningwithButterflies, I know. I haven't had any personal dealings, myself with any Beings I knew that were Elementals. So I cannot judge them and we are all God's Creatures.
I was just quoting something (anecdotal) about what Dion Fortune's experiences with them were like...However we have come a long way indeed since those days. People and their relationship with the unseen realms have changed a LOT since the 1930's. Those ideas are possibly very outdated and restrictive now, come to think of it. I sort of wished I hadn't posted that about D.F. as I felt a "dig in my ribs" as soon as I had posted it!
What Occultists like D.F. and Aleister Crowley etc did way back in the '20's -'30's are probably not relevant any more. We have to follow our own lights and hearts, awareness and intelligence.
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Old 15-02-2013, 07:17 AM
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I am grateful for them!
Elemental beings are not dangerous or low frequency! They are beautiful, wise and amazing beings, they are guardians of the earth.

People only have bad experiences when they don't understand what power they are working with, or misuse it.

Take the stone Moldavite for example - it's one of the most highest vibrating crystals of transformation in the entire world, but if you hold a moldavite stone close to your heart and you don't feel ready to look at your inner shadows and do your personal work, Moldavite is such a great and wise teacher that it will forcefully drag you to look in the mirror kicking and screaming. There are people who are ready for this kind of experience in their spiritual growth. Just because you aren't, doesn't make it a bad thing. Therefore, you can't blame the Moldavite if you have an awful experience. It was your own fault for communicating to a moldavite stone when you were not ready to take responsibility and work on your shadows.

What do you think spirtitual growth entails? Butterflies and rainbows?

Nay, in order to transcend, ascend and grow into the beauty of love and light, you need to first work on your inner shadows and when you are in the company of such high frequency beings - these shadows will be revealed. Transformation doesn't get a good name because it involves transforming darkness into light, but it's certainly not evil... good gosh.

And what do you think elementals are? Look at the elements for example, elements of the earth - they all create the ultimate element = storm = storm energy = transformation energy, this means the higher form of "elemental" beings are trickster beings, these beings are storm elementals, they represent transformation.

It's why so many people have negative experiences and react foolishly with the phenomena I call: "The demon haunting me turned out to be my grandma."


It's kind of thoughts like this that lead to personal disaster. For example the same thing in regards to the term light worker - You cannot send love and light to the world if you are afraid of venturing into your idea of preconceived darkness. It makes no sense! A real light worker knows that darkness is nothing but energy that creates light and love, and they go into dark places to bring love and compassion to the world, therefore they heal suffering in the earth and in humanity.

Same thing for elemental beings that some people have bad experiences with, and even inter-dimensional trickster beings. If you don't want to have a completely life changing lesson and grow into such beauty and light, or if you don't want to learn or grow and transform, then don't call upon these beings. It's not their fault that you don't react well to witnessing your own inner shadows. They will show them to you and will help you more than any other being in the universe, but you have to be ready and willing for it.

Be respectful, be loving and be compassionate when learning with them. They are beautiful beings, more powerful than most so you better be prepared for it, and have much wisdom and experience to offer you.

Most times if you are having negative experiences, it is your own mind misinterpreting things.
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Old 15-02-2013, 04:20 PM
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Thank you Cigala! Well said. And yes astral it sounds to be playing games. I have learned lately for myself that when ive become aware of things i need to pay more attention to what it is like rather than what i see. Might be interesting to try in this sitatuation? For example, focus in on her nature and what her energy is like...its characteristics. Then think about that. Not what she looks like or what she says. An example for myself to put into perspective, my sister was having asthma attacks every time she went into a specific room in her house lately and asked me to help figure it out. I am half way across the country and looked psychically or wih my third eye and saw a black human figure creeping in the shadows of the room against the walls. Had a sense it has been there a long time but she was just now becoming aware and this figure would come around her and cause her attacks. My immediate thoughts were some entity? It turns out...it was something there for a long tims creeping along the walls...mold. just because we see or hear it a certain way doesnt make it so. I agree with cigala misinterpretation. I also agree these elementals will be passionate about our earth and the elements...but passion and protection are different than evil and mean.
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Old 17-02-2013, 07:06 AM
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I am grateful for them!
Elemental beings are not dangerous or low frequency! They are beautiful, wise and amazing beings, they are guardians of the earth.

People only have bad experiences when they don't understand what power they are working with, or misuse it.

Take the stone Moldavite for example - it's one of the most highest vibrating crystals of transformation in the entire world, but if you hold a moldavite stone close to your heart and you don't feel ready to look at your inner shadows and do your personal work, Moldavite is such a great and wise teacher that it will forcefully drag you to look in the mirror kicking and screaming. There are people who are ready for this kind of experience in their spiritual growth. Just because you aren't, doesn't make it a bad thing. Therefore, you can't blame the Moldavite if you have an awful experience. It was your own fault for communicating to a moldavite stone when you were not ready to take responsibility and work on your shadows.

What do you think spirtitual growth entails? Butterflies and rainbows?

Nay, in order to transcend, ascend and grow into the beauty of love and light, you need to first work on your inner shadows and when you are in the company of such high frequency beings - these shadows will be revealed. Transformation doesn't get a good name because it involves transforming darkness into light, but it's certainly not evil... good gosh.

And what do you think elementals are? Look at the elements for example, elements of the earth - they all create the ultimate element = storm = storm energy = transformation energy, this means the higher form of "elemental" beings are trickster beings, these beings are storm elementals, they represent transformation.

It's why so many people have negative experiences and react foolishly with the phenomena I call: "The demon haunting me turned out to be my grandma."


It's kind of thoughts like this that lead to personal disaster. For example the same thing in regards to the term light worker - You cannot send love and light to the world if you are afraid of venturing into your idea of preconceived darkness. It makes no sense! A real light worker knows that darkness is nothing but energy that creates light and love, and they go into dark places to bring love and compassion to the world, therefore they heal suffering in the earth and in humanity.

Same thing for elemental beings that some people have bad experiences with, and even inter-dimensional trickster beings. If you don't want to have a completely life changing lesson and grow into such beauty and light, or if you don't want to learn or grow and transform, then don't call upon these beings. It's not their fault that you don't react well to witnessing your own inner shadows. They will show them to you and will help you more than any other being in the universe, but you have to be ready and willing for it.

Be respectful, be loving and be compassionate when learning with them. They are beautiful beings, more powerful than most so you better be prepared for it, and have much wisdom and experience to offer you.

Most times if you are having negative experiences, it is your own mind misinterpreting things.

I have been more than respectful and compassionate, so your opinion does have some usefulness in it but it cannot be completely accurate in my case. I have been the nice and respectful one, I have tried to respect the spirit who claims to be an elemental wishes and even it's desires. But it's wishes and desires go against mine, and when I don't agree it becomes angry and wrathful towards me. It has nothing to do with me being ready or not being ready, this went on for years before I even knew what was happening. At this point it has enlisted other spirits into it's mindgames. It had another spirit try to bully me into marrying the elemental a few nights ago, it called me a murderer even though I have never murdered anyone and then said I murdered someone the day before. I called it a liar and then it told me I had to marry the elemental, when I said no I know what happens when Humans marry an elemental it told me that I was an elemental. This elemental has enlisted two male spirits now to prevent me from projecting and playing games with me simply because I don't want to have astral sex with it and agree to bind myself to it for eternity. So regardless of what you feel about elementals this one does not completely coincide with your opinion on what elementals are and how they behave. If the elemental simply wanted to teach me things about myself, or help me grow I would be more than willing but it wants to blackmail me into having astral sex with it and other things I am not willing to agree to.
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The thing about Elementals (imo) is that they are beautiful in their own element, they are necessary, and definitely deserve respect and love.
But they are not human, have never been human, and do not have the ability, empathy, or whatever it's called, to ever understand the human condition, and human's Soul needs. They are a completely different race spiritually.
That's not to say that we are removed completely from them as we are connected under God. And that's not to say we can't know them or connect with them sometimes, or even befriend them if we wish to....but it's wise to know they can never understand us, nor we them. It may be easier to relate in the "human" way -emotionally, with an animal, than an elemental, because they have more in common with us.
But it might be best to expect that they cannot completely vibe with us as they are of a different evolution entirely.
A human has an evolutionary path, and the one of the Elementals is so different.
But my feeling is it is an interesting and educational thing to connect with an Elemental -on both sides.There are so many facets of the omniverse that we are learning about.
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Old 18-02-2013, 04:47 AM
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The thing about Elementals (imo) is that they are beautiful in their own element, they are necessary, and definitely deserve respect and love.
But they are not human, have never been human, and do not have the ability, empathy, or whatever it's called, to ever understand the human condition, and human's Soul needs. They are a completely different race spiritually.
That's not to say that we are removed completely from them as we are connected under God. And that's not to say we can't know them or connect with them sometimes, or even befriend them if we wish to....but it's wise to know they can never understand us, nor we them. It may be easier to relate in the "human" way -emotionally, with an animal, than an elemental, because they have more in common with us.
But it might be best to expect that they cannot completely vibe with us as they are of a different evolution entirely.
A human has an evolutionary path, and the one of the Elementals is so different.
But my feeling is it is an interesting and educational thing to connect with an Elemental -on both sides.There are so many facets of the omniverse that we are learning about.

On one occasion I was apologizing to the spirit and had to explain to it why I reacted in an aggressive way at one point. I was basically having to explain to it how Humans think and behave and why we act the way we do. It had been ignoring all of my apologies until I started wording it in that way, which signals to me it's definitely not an Earthbound spirit. At least I wouldn't think so if me explaining how Humans think and act to it changed anything. Last night I kept coming to consciousness in the RTZ and it said to some other spirit "give me that paint over there." Then it started rubbing it all over my body and my face and everything, like it was painting me or something. I managed to get a look at it when it didn't expect and it was very dark in the room, but the spirit was even darker. It looked like it had black paint painted on it's skin.
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Old 18-02-2013, 12:04 PM
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Humans has no evolutionary path and neither does elementals. Saying otherwise would be like saying the wind can only blow in one direction. We might change the name of the wind depending on what direction it blows or in what speed it moves but at the end of the day it is still the same wind. We are all part of life, even those beings who call themselves god. We can go in any direction we want though at times we might be stuck in the patterns of life and human is nothing more than a physical expression, a pattern of life you can try out to see how it looks on your spirit. And if there are human on other planets/worlds they might not be anything like the humans of Earth or even call themselves human. We are all unique like the little snowflake journeying from the sky to the Earth and back again and labels like human, animal, elemental or what you can come up with are just road maps we put up to more easily distinguish between or recognize things if you ask me.
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