Is I AM defeatable?

[Honza]

Slowly but surely I am turning to or into I AM. In many ways it is against my wishes. I prefer "we are" or "God is".....but the inexorable I AM is taking its hold.

My underlying belief is that ever since some humans discovered I AM and started practicing I AM it has slowly spread its influence and established its spiritual grip on the human psyche.

My understanding is that at the dawn of the human race I AM was unknown. The primitive people were "we are" or "God is" or something vague and unidentifiable.

I AM has tremendous power and influence and I believe that it slowly conquered the free spirit of the human race. Until today when everything is all about the self, me, I, etc.

So my question is: is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

[sky]

Originally Posted by Honza

Slowly but surely I am turning to or into I AM. In many ways it is against my wishes. I prefer "we are" or "God is".....but the inexorable I AM is taking its hold.

My underlying belief is that ever since some humans discovered I AM and started practicing I AM it has slowly spread its influence and established its spiritual grip on the human psyche.

My understanding is that at the dawn of the human race I AM was unknown. The primitive people were "we are" or "God is" or something vague and unidentifiable.

I AM has tremendous power and influence and I believe that it slowly conquered the free spirit of the human race. Until today when everything is all about the self, me, I, etc.

So my question is: is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

Not another ' I Am ' Post, gosh Honza it seems to be tormenting you.
You can't be influenced into believing it, nor can you think yourway , it is a ' Knowing ' not a ' Thinking '

Just let it happen..

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Honza

I AM has tremendous power and influence and I believe that it slowly conquered the free spirit of the human race. Until today when everything is all about the self, me, I, etc.

I would say the opposite is true..
A separate God demands worship, laws to live by, and seeing God as a person creates a social relationship and appeal to human emotions. I believe that is capable of conquering the free spirit of the human race. When we instead focus on humanity, and spiritually on our own divinity, we are more free..

Originally Posted by Honza

So my question is: is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

You can't, not permanently. It will be rediscovered. A very strict and orderly religious society could hunt it down and try to keep things 'clean', but always the desire for freedom, materially and spiritually, finds its way out again.

[django]

Originally Posted by Honza

Slowly but surely I am turning to or into I AM. In many ways it is against my wishes. I prefer "we are" or "God is".....but the inexorable I AM is taking its hold.

My underlying belief is that ever since some humans discovered I AM and started practicing I AM it has slowly spread its influence and established its spiritual grip on the human psyche.

My understanding is that at the dawn of the human race I AM was unknown. The primitive people were "we are" or "God is" or something vague and unidentifiable.

I AM has tremendous power and influence and I believe that it slowly conquered the free spirit of the human race. Until today when everything is all about the self, me, I, etc.

So my question is: is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

Yes it might be very hard to break free from, if people even want to in the first place. I hope you can for your sake :)

[Honza]

Originally Posted by django

Yes it might be very hard to break free from, if people even want to in the first place. I hope you can for your sake :)

What spirituality do you practice?

[Little Creek77]

Keep hold of the I AM. Otherwise you leave yourself open to control by others.

[SeaZen]

Originally Posted by Honza

Slowly but surely I am turning to or into I AM. In many ways it is against my wishes. I prefer "we are" or "God is".....but the inexorable I AM is taking its hold.
So my question is: is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

Too late Honza! The I am is akin to being assimilated by the BORG in Star Trek and checking into HOTEL CALIFORNIA...once you are assimilated you are screwed and though you can check out any time you like, you can never leave! LOL! Enjoy your brainwashing and total loss of soul, self, ego, id, persona, higher self, we, us, god, and I! Happy Trails Dude! Keep us posted on any subsequent descent into oblivion and madness! LOL! :-)

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by Honza

Slowly but surely I am turning to or into I AM. In many ways it is against my wishes. I prefer "we are" or "God is".....but the inexorable I AM is taking its hold.

My underlying belief is that ever since some humans discovered I AM and started practicing I AM it has slowly spread its influence and established its spiritual grip on the human psyche.

My understanding is that at the dawn of the human race I AM was unknown. The primitive people were "we are" or "God is" or something vague and unidentifiable.

I AM has tremendous power and influence and I believe that it slowly conquered the free spirit of the human race. Until today when everything is all about the self, me, I, etc.

So my question is: is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

There is a way...You may not like it or like to hear it, but there is a way.

Like you, I have had that experience deep in my heart where "God IS" or that "God is everything, everywhere at every time" and this also INCLUDES, but it is NOT solely limited to anything I AM whatsoever.

When my individual Consciousness becomes fully merged in or associated with that, there is really no "I" left to be/do anything! and to say "I AM it" seems so arrogant, so prideful and self-focused when one could also rightfully say that everything IS that.

I was listening to Alan Watts last night and apparently there are people who can not only see that God IS everything, but are also able to do that backwards and say that THEY are also everything.

The universe does not exist independent from themselves, just like flowers can't exist without insects and vice versa...So they MUST contain the whole universe within, so that is where they get the whole "I AM" thing from. For MOST people, it is like this...but for a select few of us, like yourself and myself, we have a learning disability when it comes to trying to understand and see that...our perception allows us to see it and to fully integrate it only ONE way, but NOT in reverse...we just can't do it...and no amount of others telling us that is so, will make any difference because our minds and brains just do not WORK THAT WAY!

So the only thing we can do, is to love and trust God with ALL our heart and forget about the whole "I AM" thing...FORGET it! and if others want to make it an issue with you, tell them that you have your own beliefs and would prefer it if they would go away and leave you TO them...and if they persist, you can take solace from the story of Noah....Next time the world gets destroyed, those who believe in the "I AM" will be the very FIRST to die!

Originally Posted by Honza

I AM has tremendous power and influence and I believe that it slowly conquered the free spirit of the human race. Until today when everything is all about the self, me, I, etc.

So my question is: is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

Are you using the term "I AM" to mean ego and selfishness? If so, I don't think you've groked it!

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...79#post1315179

[guthrio]

Originally Posted by Honza

Slowly but surely I am turning to or into I AM. In many ways it is against my wishes. I prefer "we are" or "God is".....but the inexorable I AM is taking its hold.

My underlying belief is that ever since some humans discovered I AM and started practicing I AM it has slowly spread its influence and established its spiritual grip on the human psyche.

My understanding is that at the dawn of the human race I AM was unknown. The primitive people were "we are" or "God is" or something vague and unidentifiable.

I AM has tremendous power and influence and I believe that it slowly conquered the free spirit of the human race. Until today when everything is all about the self, me, I, etc.

So my question is: is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

Honza,

....if you understand that what you've been repeatedly calling I AM is simply a metaphor for Infinite Consciousness. You and I, and everything there is, are made of Infinite Consciousness, because It is ALL THERE IS.

Without Infinite Consciousness....you wouldn't even be able to ask such a question as, is I AM defeatable? How can the human race break free from the power of I AM (should it wish to)?

....without using your own irreplaceable consciousness you depend upon to raise it?

I AM is not other than us. I AM IS US.

God and Consciousness (we are one)!

Hope this helps....

Reference: https://www.esolibris.com/articles/r...sciousness.php