WHO IS THE DOER

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Uday_Advaita

WHO IS THE DOER?

Recently I connected with my (Chemical Engineering) College friends through a WhatsApp group. It was very refreshing to catch up with guys after a gap of more than 45 years. This e-interaction was followed by personal meetings, informal get togethers.

Most of us are in their late sixties / early seventies, with children settled in India / abroad, some retired, others doing some business. Invariably we recounted our life journeys during our “spirited” discussions.

Someone said, I did not get a job, so I started on my own….
…. I set up my manufacturing unit… closed it and later I went for my PhD…
…. I set up my consultancy…. Changed my line from Chemicals to Pharma
…. I lost my job, so I did this
…. My factory got burnt …. I faced court cases.. went bankrupt, yet I survived and built my business again…
….. I retired after a successful corporate career and now doing what I like to do…

Everyone kept saying … I did this because… I did that because…. So on..

Just to summarize, I noticed that everyone of my friends went through ups and downs, twists and turns, highs and lows, totally unexpected changes, loss of spouse / divorce, life threatening illnesses, children issues, economic hardships and what not. Everyone did what was required to be done at that moment to tide over the situation and emerge towards a better tomorrow. I am not sure if my friends had many choices….

In my case, when I look back, I find that right from my choice of education, everything I did was by default. Went to chemical Engineering because the college did not specify a minimum age limit. Changed my line from Engineering to Management because, I had to get out of a hopeless job…. So on and so forth. All the choices supposedly made by me were dictated by the situation around me which really did not offer me any choices.

Though none of us is an extremely successful or famous celebrity, we all friends are moderately well to do individuals having done reasonably well in their careers. At this stage in life, I really wonder if we made our life for where we are or we were compelled to do whatever was required at that moment… and here we are!

It is said that 2% of the people in this world pursue their hobby as their career and are extremely successful because they seem to like what they do. I would be happy to know if they really had many choices while choosing the course of their life.

In my life experience, if I were to ask – Am I the Doer? The answer would be a resounding – NO. Life just happened through this Mind Body Apparatus.

Who then is the real Doer???

Namaskar

An interesting question but not relevant to total connection with Oneness for if one is the doer or not, both are Oneness manifest, each the other and the One Love in Action, dreaming difference where there is none.

[Moondance]

Originally Posted by Iamit

An interesting question but not relevant to total connection with Oneness for if one is the doer or not, both are Oneness manifest, each the other and the One Love in Action, dreaming difference where there is none.

Nice to see you back here, Iamit. Sorry to hear about your misfortune - but good to see that it hasn’t affected your capacity for consistency. :)

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Iamit

Both are Oneness manifest,
each the other and the One Love in Action,
dreaming difference
where there is none.

Whoa, I wish I had said that this well.
This is poetic, just lovely.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Which brings to mind the Zen story:

Two monks were arguing about a flag. One said: "The flag is moving."
The other said: "No, the wind is moving."
The sixth patriarch happened to be passing by. He told them: "Not the wind, not the flag; mind is moving."

Gosh, I love this one. These Zen stories are the best.


Nisargadatta:

''Why do you talk of action? Are you acting ever?
Some unknown power acts and you imagine that you are acting.
You are merely watching what happens, without being able to influence it in any way.''

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Gosh, I love this one. These Zen stories are the best.


Nisargadatta:

''Why do you talk of action? Are you acting ever?
Some unknown power acts and you imagine that you are acting.
You are merely watching what happens, without being able to influence it in any way.''

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Now that’s a brilliant slow motion, easily comprehensible explanation for everyone!

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[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Moondance

Nice to see you back here, Iamit. Sorry to hear about your misfortune - but good to see that it hasn’t affected your capacity for consistency. :)

good to see you too moondance. yes its nice to know there is no escape:)

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Whoa, I wish I had said that this well.
This is poetic, just lovely.

Yes beautiful but all as oneness manifest is also very challenging as both sides of all conflict, both abuser and abused. Makes nonduality difficult to accept for some.

[God-Like]

There is only what you are that does .

What else is there?


x daz x

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by God-Like

There is only what you are that does .

What else is there?

doer whislt looking like
x daz x

From a nondual perspective, Oneness is the only reality and therefore the only doer whilst looking like all that manifests.

[Iamit]

Originally Posted by God-Like

There is only what you are that does .

What else is there?

doer whislt looking like
x daz x

From a nondual perspective, Oneness is the only reality and therefore the only doer whilst looking like all that manifests busy doing.