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Old 27-03-2020, 01:26 PM
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I want to let you in on a little secret. There are no problems. There are no problems.
There never were any problems, there are no problems today, and there will never be any problems.
Problems just mean that the world isn't turning the way you want it to. .....

Robert Adams
Hahahaha, I was so impressed with you Joe - I thought you wrote all that ...THEN, I saw it was Robert. LOL
Thank you and I agree.
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Old 27-03-2020, 03:41 PM
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Some readers may enjoy following deconstruction and reconstruction. Please note: This is only meant to present possible and possibly more positively creative (IMO) alternatives, not to say that there's anything 'bad' about going along with 'the secret' being talked about here:

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I want to let you in on a little secret. There are no problems. There are no problems. There never were any problems, there are no problems today, and there will never be any problems.
There is no 'secret' here (that's my opinion at least). As long as there is living Intelligence with a Spiritual Motive (i.e. Purpose), it will seek to maximally accomplish said purpose. It will seek to re-solve any hindrances (blocks, countervailing factors) which it therefore may regard as 'problems' or 'puzzles' and even enjoy the activity of 'solving' them (as long as they remain un'solved', that is). They are really opportunities for said Intelligence (a/k/a Mind) and Spirit to exercise Itself and thereby grow in terms of capability and potency. This (growth, development, etc.) is one of the main characteristics of Life, IMO. Non-growth, non-development = stagnation (which leads to atrophy of Life's 'power') which is a kind of 'death' condition.

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Problems just mean that the world isn't turning the way you want it to.
That's one way of mentally 'framing' the 'issue'. Another way of framing the same issue is that Intelligence ever seeks (i.e. 'wants') to maximally fulfill its innate 'program' or desire (a key one, which I elaborate on in my treatise, being to maximally experience Love and Joy in relationship to and with others.

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But in truth, there are no problems.
IMO, this is a simplistic dismissal (ducking) of the very real consequential issue at hand (re-f'ramed' above). John Lennon famously re-framed it by 'quipping' "There are no problems, only solutions". Contemplating what's shared via this page: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/288957
may expand your awareness and deepen your appreciation of many factors which are involved:

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Everything is unfolding as it should.
That is a subjective 'judgment'. Whatever happened to the wisdom in the popular (in 'spiritual' circles) saying that there are no 'shoulds'.

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Everything is right.
That's another completely subjective 'judgment', aye what? If everything is 'right' in the field of human affairs there would be no reason or call for 'improvement'. Thinking and saying that essentially dismisses any and all thought that there could be improvements in terms of one's own psychospiritual configuration and relational behaviors or in social 'norms' or 'morals'. I suppose this appeals to those who think/feel that they are 'sitting pretty' (or just want to be 'content' being and doing so). https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...sitting-pretty

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You have to forget about yourself ...
No one has to do anything.

[quote=Joe Mc]... and expand your consciousness until you become the whole universe.
This is seductive, hubristic 'dream' projection. One may personally resonate with the 'whole universe' to the degree that one has the capacity to do so. But the thought that one has actually become (indentical with) the entire inverse is a (megalomaniacal?) fantasy which flies in the face of logic, IMO. It leads to self-justification - thinking, feeling, and believing that whatever one thinks, feels, and believes is unequivocally 'right' (as Joe Mc's quote indicates).

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The Reality in back of the universe is Pure Awareness.
That's a subjectively generated axiomatic philosophical postulate, IMO.
One could equally well postulate that "The Reality in back of the universe is Pure Love" (with 'awareness' just regarded as being a tool faciltating Its/Love's unfoldment) and then elect to consciously proceed on such belief-basis. The former postulate allows for and encourages/promotes solipsistic relational dissociation, IMO. Check out what at https://www.iep.utm.edu/solipsis/ for a discussion of some of the potential liabilities which may be consequent.

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It has no problems. And you are That.
Quite the hallucinatory 'disappearing' (of what Really Is the case, in my subjective opinion) 'act' that! Path of Least Resistance, Easy-Peasy, No-Sweat for those who have the mind of mind-and-spirit (i.e. 'soul') configuration which gravititates toward and accommodates such way of Being.
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Old 27-03-2020, 03:50 PM
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I want to let you in on a little secret. There are no problems. There are no problems. There never were any problems, there are no problems today, and there will never be any problems. Problems just mean that the world isn't turning the way you want it to. But in truth, there are no problems. Everything is unfolding as it should. Everything is right. You have to forget about yourself and expand your consciousness until you become the whole universe. The Reality in back of the universe is Pure Awareness. It has no problems. And you are That.

Robert Adams
Beautiful!
Thank you for that.
Inspiring truth.



~ J
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Old 27-03-2020, 04:38 PM
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Hahahaha, I was so impressed with you Joe - I thought you wrote all that ...THEN, I saw it was Robert. LOL
Thank you and I agree.

You thought I was onto something, I see, and then you saw it was a quote hahaha ... Story of my life !
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The Frost performs its secret ministry,Unhelped by any wind. Samuel Taylor Coleridge

And you won't find that Love comes easy but that Love is always right.So even when the dark clouds gather you will be the light.

All Intellect falls prey to Love's Glory ! Rumi

He Made the Lock, He also Made the Key ! Rumi
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Old 27-03-2020, 04:39 PM
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Beautiful!
Thank you for that.
Inspiring truth.



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Your welcome my friend, Hare Krishna hope you are well
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To Thine own Self be True

The Frost performs its secret ministry,Unhelped by any wind. Samuel Taylor Coleridge

And you won't find that Love comes easy but that Love is always right.So even when the dark clouds gather you will be the light.

All Intellect falls prey to Love's Glory ! Rumi

He Made the Lock, He also Made the Key ! Rumi
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Old 27-03-2020, 04:49 PM
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[quote=davidsun]Some readers may enjoy following deconstruction and reconstruction. Please note: This is only meant to present possible and possibly more positively creative (IMO) alternatives, not to say that there's anything 'bad' about going along with 'the secret' being talked about here:


There is no 'secret' here (that's my opinion at least). As long as there is living Intelligence with a Spiritual Motive (i.e. Purpose), it will seek to maximally accomplish said purpose. It will seek to re-solve any hindrances (blocks, countervailing factors) which it therefore may regard as 'problems' or 'puzzles' and even enjoy the activity of 'solving' them (as long as they remain un'solved', that is). They are really opportunities for said Intelligence (a/k/a Mind) and Spirit to exercise Itself and thereby grow in terms of capability and potency. This (growth, development, etc.) is one of the main characteristics of Life, IMO. Non-growth, non-development = stagnation (which leads to atrophy of Life's 'power') which is a kind of 'death' condition.


That's one way of mentally 'framing' the 'issue'. Another way of framing the same issue is that Intelligence ever seeks (i.e. 'wants') to maximally fulfill its innate 'program' or desire (a key one, which I elaborate on in my treatise, being to maximally experience Love and Joy in relationship to and with others.


IMO, this is a simplistic dismissal (ducking) of the very real consequential issue at hand (re-f'ramed' above). John Lennon famously re-framed it by 'quipping' "There are no problems, only solutions". Contemplating what's shared via this page: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/288957
may expand your awareness and deepen your appreciation of many factors which are involved:


That is a subjective 'judgment'. Whatever happened to the wisdom in the popular (in 'spiritual' circles) saying that there are no 'shoulds'.


That's another completely subjective 'judgment', aye what? If everything is 'right' in the field of human affairs there would be no reason or call for 'improvement'. Thinking and saying that essentially dismisses any and all thought that there could be improvements in terms of one's own psychospiritual configuration and relational behaviors or in social 'norms' or 'morals'. I suppose this appeals to those who think/feel that they are 'sitting pretty' (or just want to be 'content' being and doing so). https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...sitting-pretty


No one has to do anything.

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Originally Posted by Joe Mc
... and expand your consciousness until you become the whole universe.
This is seductive, hubristic 'dream' projection. One may personally resonate with the 'whole universe' to the degree that one has the capacity to do so. But the thought that one has actually become (indentical with) the entire inverse is a (megalomaniacal?) fantasy which flies in the face of logic, IMO. It leads to self-justification - thinking, feeling, and believing that whatever one thinks, feels, and believes is unequivocally 'right' (as Joe Mc's quote indicates).


That's a subjectively generated axiomatic philosophical postulate, IMO.
One could equally well postulate that "The Reality in back of the universe is Pure Love" (with 'awareness' just regarded as being a tool faciltating Its/Love's unfoldment) and then elect to consciously proceed on such belief-basis. The former postulate allows for and encourages/promotes solipsistic relational dissociation, IMO. Check out what at https://www.iep.utm.edu/solipsis/ for a discussion of some of the potential liabilities which may be consequent.


Quite the hallucinatory 'disappearing' (of what Really Is the case, in my subjective opinion) 'act' that! Path of Least Resistance, Easy-Peasy, No-Sweat for those who have the mind of mind-and-spirit (i.e. 'soul') configuration which gravititates toward and accommodates such way of Being.

Hi DS ,

I completely agree with you arguments . While I agree with general spirit of the thread to have trust in God and in its ways unconditionally , all clarifications you made are right and relevant as this forum is seen people from all background and of all ages . If any of the teachings of spirituality misguide/mislead (even unintentionally) someone into passivity /laziness (in the name of meditation / peace ) that's not the real purpose of spirituality. Real purpose of spirituality is to enlighten our awake life also (12-14 hours full of activity) with the peace / insights / confidence gained from meditation and to be able to experience the one-ness with universe even in activity and enjoy the run in this beautiful and wonderful world. God really wants His children to understand ,experience and appreciate the His world which one can not do in passive state.
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Old 27-03-2020, 05:38 PM
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I completely agree with your arguments.
Agreement, of course, doesn't mean they are 'right' , but it sho feels good to know I am not 'alone' in the way that I see/think/feel/believe and act - your 'company' especially is very much appreciated/valued, HS.
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Old 28-03-2020, 01:07 AM
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I want to let you in on a little secret. There are no problems. There are no problems. There never were any problems, there are no problems today, and there will never be any problems. Problems just mean that the world isn't turning the way you want it to. But in truth, there are no problems. Everything is unfolding as it should. Everything is right. You have to forget about yourself and expand your consciousness until you become the whole universe. The Reality in back of the universe is Pure Awareness. It has no problems. And you are That.

Robert Adams
Hi Joe Mc, that's a great quote. I thought you wrote it at first too :) But hey in non-duality we can all share the glory, right? Anyhow while I was reading it I started humming this song and I dedicate to you.
The Traveling Wilburys - End Of The Line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMVjToYOjbM

P.S. Check out Roy Orbison around 1:40 ... :)
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Old 28-03-2020, 06:34 PM
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Hi Joe Mc, that's a great quote. I thought you wrote it at first too :) But hey in non-duality we can all share the glory, right? Anyhow while I was reading it I started humming this song and I dedicate to you.
The Traveling Wilburys - End Of The Line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMVjToYOjbM

P.S. Check out Roy Orbison around 1:40 ... :)

Excellent ! great song always loved it ! thanks for sharing ..yes i like what you say there, we all share in the glory, great way of putting it ! Ive had a couple of very strong realisations about the concept of unity and how when we sometimes get a glimpse of that unity (shared glory) things make utter and perfect sense. And the other side of that realisation being no matter how hard you may try to find answers to things such as death etc. in a kind of singular individualistic way, it never really computes or equates. When it is felt and seen as a whole ..its kind of an aha moment ..a view into design or intelligence itself, God. Anyway sorry for labouring a probably obvious and simple kind of thing

WE ARE GOING TO THE END OF THE LINE !!!!
BROTHERS AND SISTERS !

PS. I'd like to offer you a song back if i may, this sad and beautiful Roy Orbison song woww, clocked him at 1.40 in the wilburys video :) woww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TPIjzEmyt0

Also my friend in these trying times ... You'll never walk alone - Roy Orbison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_sk3EQPX1U
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The Frost performs its secret ministry,Unhelped by any wind. Samuel Taylor Coleridge

And you won't find that Love comes easy but that Love is always right.So even when the dark clouds gather you will be the light.

All Intellect falls prey to Love's Glory ! Rumi

He Made the Lock, He also Made the Key ! Rumi
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Old 29-03-2020, 02:31 AM
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Hi again and thanks very much for the music links. Listened a few times and it is helping to calm and slow things down and I feel more connected.
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