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Old 25-01-2015, 05:18 AM
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The grand Illusion

So many of us have come to the conclusion that the world is a hologram and that it is our senses that limit what we see, often, this is misconstrued as ‘nothing is real’, I’ve even read the concept of Maya being interpreted that way, but nothing could be further from truth. This world is real, and so are we.

In the Vedas, Maya is explained as living in illusion. The texts claim our world is very real, but it’s like a house of mirrors, its purpose is to delude us, and because of our limited senses we accept the distorted perceptions as reality; thereby living in continuous illusion.

For the NDE experiencer, there is no doubt that what they have been through is real in every sense of the word, I’m sure it is too. What I wonder is why no one is talking about the possibility that world is equally a house of mirrors; its purpose to delude.

We are conveniently sent back from the other side to tell about how our loved ones are waiting to greet us, to take us to the light. “Go to the light” where all is beautiful and your afterlife is waiting for you. Doesn’t it all seem, dare I say, staged?

Some have actually described how at a certain point the light draws the person to it, leaving them powerless, with no will of their own.

It seems the NDE is just another form of a religious experience, all religions equally represented. Who could be that thoughtful, and most importantly, why?
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Old 25-01-2015, 10:16 AM
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Is it real, gazer? Why?
A real what?

What is Physics today, since Einstein, revealing to us? Dare you say?

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Old 25-01-2015, 09:35 PM
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It's revealing that instead of there being one big bang, the universe is banging everywhere all the time....

that each and every one of us is a black hole; as above so below...

that we are living in a holographic universe...

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Old 25-01-2015, 09:42 PM
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It's revealing that instead of there being one big bang, the universe is banging everywhere all the time....

that each and every one of us is a black hole; as above so below...

that we are living in a holographic universe...

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Old 26-01-2015, 07:15 PM
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Well, I think you mean "each of the galaxies, at their center".
They are found to be roughly 15 % the size of the galaxies in which they are resident.

Which are now currently speculated to be, "Wormholes", also.
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Old 25-08-2015, 04:48 PM
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I personally don't like the "hologram" analogy too much because it discredits the importance of our life on Earth.

We are here for a real reason and a real person.

I'd say think of it more as you are visiting one particular floor of a very tall building and each floor is a little bit different. The higher up you get in the building the more closely you are to the creator and architect of the building but your experience is still real even on the bottom or even underground.
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Old 25-08-2015, 05:18 PM
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I believe we are here to learn. Earth is an elaborate stage and the play is ongoing. It's when we get home and summarize our experiences and how we handled them that we come full circle, i.e., we have understanding that we did not have before.

Some of us who have awakened spiritually have realized that everyone is playing a part. Sometimes I look at the people around me and time stops as I think of the agreements they all made to forget who they really are so they could come here to learn. And as they go about their everyday business of living and learning in ignorance I am sometimes really overwhelmed by the significance of it all.
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Old 07-09-2015, 05:59 PM
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"The Matrix is a system Neo. When you are inside and look around, what do you see?"
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Old 14-09-2015, 03:33 AM
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So many of us have come to the conclusion that the world is a hologram and that it is our senses that limit what we see, often, this is misconstrued as ‘nothing is real’, I’ve even read the concept of Maya being interpreted that way, but nothing could be further from truth. This world is real, and so are we.

In the Vedas, Maya is explained as living in illusion. The texts claim our world is very real, but it’s like a house of mirrors, its purpose is to delude us, and because of our limited senses we accept the distorted perceptions as reality; thereby living in continuous illusion.

For the NDE experiencer, there is no doubt that what they have been through is real in every sense of the word, I’m sure it is too. What I wonder is why no one is talking about the possibility that world is equally a house of mirrors; its purpose to delude.

We are conveniently sent back from the other side to tell about how our loved ones are waiting to greet us, to take us to the light. “Go to the light” where all is beautiful and your afterlife is waiting for you. Doesn’t it all seem, dare I say, staged?

Some have actually described how at a certain point the light draws the person to it, leaving them powerless, with no will of their own.

It seems the NDE is just another form of a religious experience, all religions equally represented. Who could be that thoughtful, and most importantly, why?
I agree most NDE experiences seem like a huge disinformation campaign targeted toward acceptance of the "light" being where you want to go, being where your "Heaven" is, where your loved-ones are, etc. There are so many books out there about the "light-realms" and in so many of them they mention reincarnation and in them you can even sense a feeling of anger and resentment in the people who are reincarnating, or when one of their friends or family have to reincarnate. Yet none of these books or information ever go into what is forcing that person to reincarnate. New-Agers happily just accept their spoon-fed mystery medicine answer of "well they have more work to do" based on the idea that Earth is a sort of necessary spiritual proving grounds where you have to succeed in order to enter the higher-echelon of the spiritual hierarchy. Nearly all of the information out there about this type of stuff is just a carrot on a stick which no one really knows where they are being led, but they happily accept the generic cliché answers that everyone else does it appears. If you've studied Gnosticism deeply then perhaps you have a belief where it leads. An interesting piece of information I found in the Tibetan Bardo is that you definitely do not want to go to the white-light tunnel or toward that light no matter how enticing it may seem, because that indefinitely keeps you inside of the cycle of reincarnation. They suggested looking for a blue light? Personally I am skeptical about that light as well because obviously highly-intelligent Archons who are capable of running this system could easily make another colored light tailored to whatever color you would find more enticing since they know all of your likes and dislikes, fears and desires, strengths and weaknesses.

The truth is even lower-level dark-beings are capable of taking the form and energetic signature of any being they desire and most people if not all would never know the difference. So if dark-beings are capable of doing such things then obviously the masters of this system could take that beyond our comprehension. They are ruthless and will use anything at their disposal to keep you feeding them. From promises and offers of "light", love, warmth, comfort, ecstasy, power, privilege, "Heaven", etc. to threats and guilt-trips of a dark cold Hell, bad karma, the list goes on. They use both the good and bad experiences to their advantage. Under my belief the "light-realms" have been created to give you a longing for them, to feel "like home", to make every fiber of your being want to be there. And the dark-realms they use to make you feel like you have to escape there and anything but there is better. And they seem to use whatever they feel will work best on each individual because they know each of us better than we know ourselves - at least in this life. They know our past-lives, they know everything about our past that we do not in this life. If they feel the carrot on the stick isn't good enough then they scare the heck out of you with dark experiences to make you feel like anything is better than that, that way you accept the light because you just don't want to go back to that darkness. But for others a positive "light" experience is enough to sell them on the idea of Heaven and make them accept it with open-arms (and no questions). In my own experience the millisecond you question any of this it gets ugly, even in the light-realms. I can only imagine what would happen if you start asking outside of the box questions during your "life review" or whatever other brainwashing movie they want you to watch. I'm sure it would instantly turn into threats and/or some sort of sadistic punishment. The problem is nobody ever does because who's going to question "God" or an "Angel" or whatever other god-like figure we have been programmed into worshipping and honoring since childhood.
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I personally don't like the "hologram" analogy too much because it discredits the importance of our life on Earth.

We are here for a real reason and a real person.

I'd say think of it more as you are visiting one particular floor of a very tall building and each floor is a little bit different. The higher up you get in the building the more closely you are to the creator and architect of the building but your experience is still real even on the bottom or even underground.

I understand your symbology of the "architect"...
to me the architect's job would go no further after his drawings are done were not for the sweat and drudge of the common laborer, so the importance of humanity's work while here is very real.
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