I wouldn't put up with that!

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Na, when we so call die, its finished, the mind body organism is no more, your life story also is finished

Even though this post is from January ...
I would like to say that I agree w/the above ...
Near death is as it is termed; it is not complete death ...
The choice was made to incarnate to experience human life; it simply needs to be completed/tasks need to be finished including those that are for the benefit of others ...

Originally Posted by CathyC

I've worked with a number of people who have had NDE. When they are told "you need to return" it is not out of a desire to punish. There is something they need to do, a purpose to fulfill. They all brought something back with them which made their life easier. That something was a deep feeling and certainty of being loved. They want to fulfill their purpose.

Both my cousin & ex-SIL both have said they had a NDE ...
Apparently, neither got the message like your clients ...
The continue to make others miserable w/their words, actions & misdeeds ...
It's too bad & so sad they didn't visit someone like yourself to learn to appreciate or understand it ...
They both truly believe whatever they do is God's will ...

Well Tera's Party, you had to have been there. By the way not everyone goes to this place of bliss. There are accounts of people going to more negative and dark dimensions, read Howard Storm. During an NDE in the higher levels of consciousness many are give what it call "universal knowledge", they seem to have access to the akashic records. At this time they understand that before being born there was an agreement to experience certain things. If you leave before that time you are sent back, it seems you can't break your contract. I often say to myself "what as I thinking coming down to this dreary and sometimes frightening place"? Unfortunately when you return all that knowledge is taken away because with it you can't play the game of life.

psychoslice, if there is nothing after physical death can you please explain the phenomenon of the Near Death Experience.

Sorry, I must confess I haven't read every post, so might have missed something.

But, has anyone considered the the reason to fight death, might not be some profound soul lesson that we haven't learned yet, it might be something more like that there are people that depend on us?

I nearly died a few weeks ago. I didn't have a near death experience in the sense that we're on about here, but I did actually nearly die. I saw someone running for the defibrillator as I passed out, then no memory of anything til I woke up to find I was full of pipes and wires and being loaded into an ambulance. All I could think about was that I have a wife and two young kids, and the house is not yet paid for, it is on a mortgage, and I am the only earner in the household, and in any case, the kids are too young to lose their dad.

So, there was no spooky spirits telling me I have to go back, there was just me, telling me I have to hang on in there.

[Tobi]

Wow Badger! I hope that you are OK now, and your health is better?

I once had a scrape during a serious road accident. I had a loss of time, and a brilliant white light, but no other classical NDE experiences. The whole thing was surreal, and not all unpleasant (weirdly) then I just found myself running covered in blood away from the cars.

Originally Posted by Tera's_Party

I have been reading lots of stories by NDE'rs In which they go to the heaven/ The Divine Realm. They seem so happy and at peace there, and wish to stay. Suddenly they are told they have to go back to their bodies to suffer for the sake of fulfilling some spiritual obligation/purpose.

I am just thinking if it were me and my guides/higher self/the divine/God told me I had to leave paradise and return to my body. I would tell them to go (edited). If this spiritual assignment is so important to you, "Why don't you go and do it yourself!?" I quit!

I get so irate thinking about that! Here are these holy beings floating around in absolute bliss telling us to do their bidding? Yeah right. What kind of worthless guides are they?

edited by staff.

From what I know it's you who decides. Like for example, there was one lady who didn't want to go back and someone explained to her why she should and she agreed with that (but she said that I don't remember the reason now, but I knew that I had to go back). So it wasn't them forcing her, it was her realizing that she needs to, for her own sake. But again, consciously we may disagree because we are not aware of the reason.

AND, it's about gaining the right perspective. From here, from Earth, it seems kind of pointless to come back here. But once you're there and learn the reason why you're here you'll understand yourself why you need to be here and you'll agree to go (even though you may not remember that reason consciously) and may ask yourself consciously: why did I even agree to go back?

It also could be something like this: it's like you were reaching a point of evolution and you just had to learn one more little thing and you would take off and enter the next stage. But if you didn't go back, you would have to redo this whole journey, wouldn't be able to take off very soon... so it would be like waiting an opportunity

Originally Posted by Badger1777

Sorry, I must confess I haven't read every post, so might have missed something.

But, has anyone considered the the reason to fight death, might not be some profound soul lesson that we haven't learned yet, it might be something more like that there are people that depend on us?

I nearly died a few weeks ago. I didn't have a near death experience in the sense that we're on about here, but I did actually nearly die. I saw someone running for the defibrillator as I passed out, then no memory of anything til I woke up to find I was full of pipes and wires and being loaded into an ambulance. All I could think about was that I have a wife and two young kids, and the house is not yet paid for, it is on a mortgage, and I am the only earner in the household, and in any case, the kids are too young to lose their dad.

So, there was no spooky spirits telling me I have to go back, there was just me, telling me I have to hang on in there.

yes, we are all a part of the web. And if one link is missing, the others will suffer too. So in this sense, yes, it's also for those who are here that we would have to stay.

However, understanding this may not make some people want to stay. It's their decision ultimately. So they can do what they want, ultimately. It's like giving your child a choice: to go to a party and be a bad person in your eyes or not to go and make you happy? The child may choose to do the opposite of what you want. And because of the free will, I believe it's possible to do what you want. But again, if someone explained to you (but you just don't remember consciously), you may want to choose to do it yourself (even if consciously you wouldn't want to)

Originally Posted by Tera's_Party

Well if it's not their bidding then they should mind their own business and not try to run my afterlife.

i haven't read this whole thread-i'm just responding to this post:

i suspect that between incarnations, we losteour emotional clothing and petty perceptions. it is then we are in a pure spirit state, where we have clarity and wisdom and know what is best for our growth, then choose the next incarnation that will best help us fulfill it. i don't think we are forced to do anything-we still have freedom of choice.

so the emotions one may feel now are not carried over to the spirit state.

of course, that is just my humble opinion.