About the Afterlife

Greetings to ALL,

Since Afterlife issues and matters are discussed here, this is the Christian perspective on the Afterlife.

http://www.christianity.co.nz/life_death.htm

Thank you.

Many fruitful Blessings to everyone!

[Guard]

Originally Posted by AngelBreeze

Greetings to ALL,

Since Afterlife issues and matters are discussed here, this is the Christian perspective on the Afterlife.


Thank you.

Many fruitful Blessings to everyone!

The whole idea of God eternally puniishing those who do not follow this path makes no sense. There is no love in that. Now, imagine you being born in a hindu and some 40 years later some one knocks on your door and tell you that what you believe is wrong and you must convert to be saved? I follow Jesus as he is the most enlighted person to ever walk the earth. What would Jesus say about wars? What would Jesus say about raising animals for meat, stealing baby cows from their mothers to make veal. Is that love? Jesus would not see the love in that.

That being said, the bible was composed by men, cherry picked as to what was to be included. Then long after the early christians died off, the concept of hell and eternal punishment came in around 500 AD.

According to God's plan as regards to Christianity, we are forced into existance beyond our will, and no matter where we land on this planet, we have to find Christianity or suffer eternally? At this rate, I'd say about 80% of the world is going to suffer then. YOu factor in non christians which is about 70% and then at least 10% of "christians" who really have not submitted to salvation and just go to church, feel good about themselves, etc.

Where is the love and balance here? Surely in God's perfection and love, such a horrendous account would not occur.

Originally Posted by Guard

The whole idea of God eternally puniishing those who do not follow this path makes no sense. There is no love in that. Now, imagine you being born in a hindu and some 40 years later some one knocks on your door and tell you that what you believe is wrong and you must convert to be saved? I follow Jesus as he is the most enlighted person to ever walk the earth. What would Jesus say about wars? What would Jesus say about raising animals for meat, stealing baby cows from their mothers to make veal. Is that love? Jesus would not see the love in that.

That being said, the bible was composed by men, cherry picked as to what was to be included. Then long after the early christians died off, the concept of hell and eternal punishment came in around 500 AD.

According to God's plan as regards to Christianity, we are forced into existance beyond our will, and no matter where we land on this planet, we have to find Christianity or suffer eternally? At this rate, I'd say about 80% of the world is going to suffer then. YOu factor in non christians which is about 70% and then at least 10% of "christians" who really have not submitted to salvation and just go to church, feel good about themselves, etc.

Where is the love and balance here? Surely in God's perfection and love, such a horrendous account would not occur.

I think the whole idea of God eternally punishing those who don't follow his path, is just the church using fear tactics to get people to join up.

Originally Posted by WhiteDevil

I think the whole idea of God eternally punishing those who don't follow his path, is just the church using fear tactics to get people to join up.

That is pretty much what it is. The whole idea seems ridiculous to anybody who can think with their own head.

Originally Posted by Zeliar791

That is pretty much what it is. The whole idea seems ridiculous to anybody who can think with their own head.

Gotta wonder what other head you might think with?

Originally Posted by Guard

The whole idea of God eternally puniishing those who do not follow this path makes no sense. There is no love in that. Now, imagine you being born in a hindu and some 40 years later some one knocks on your door and tell you that what you believe is wrong and you must convert to be saved? I follow Jesus as he is the most enlighted person to ever walk the earth. What would Jesus say about wars? What would Jesus say about raising animals for meat, stealing baby cows from their mothers to make veal. Is that love? Jesus would not see the love in that.

It is due to great Love that He allows us to gravitate to that which is right and just and which will save our soul and spirit because God wants only the very best for us and gave us a great mind with which to think and know the difference!

That being said, the bible was composed by men, cherry picked as to what was to be included. Then long after the early christians died off, the concept of hell and eternal punishment came in around 500 AD.

Those were men who followed the Truth as they had seen things happen and who wrote about it, and others when it had been passed down to them from the original writings. If the Bible had not been composed by men who knew what had happened so as to be able to include it in the greatest Book ever written, then that would be akin to a book on a very specialized subject being written by one who knew little to nothing about that subject matter, therefore, we could not legitimately learn anything from it.

According to God's plan as regards to Christianity, we are forced into existance beyond our will, and no matter where we land on this planet, we have to find Christianity or suffer eternally? At this rate, I'd say about 80% of the world is going to suffer then. YOu factor in non christians which is about 70% and then at least 10% of "christians" who really have not submitted to salvation and just go to church, feel good about themselves, etc.

Where is the love and balance here? Surely in God's perfection and love, such a horrendous account would not occur.

But you forget that God allows us to make that decision for ourselves in order to become Saved. If you do not wish to become Saved, no one is going to force you to be. You can simply continue to think as you do and find out later. BUT, the great question is, are you willing to take that chance, that inevitable risk?

And what is the great opposition to Saving your own soul and spirit especially when you have been taught how to do it? Why so much resistance knowing it is so easy to do! Some very mistakenly think that they already are Saved without Jesus but that is not so. If it were so, He would have told us that there was another way, including for those who currently believe in other religions. There isn't. Remember the First and Second Commandments, respectively, that GOD gave to us as it would concern and relate to other belief systems! So, while people have the right to contemplate in which direction to go, the clock keeps on ticking and we aren't going backwards. Therefore, you have a plan laid out before you with which to attain Salvation through Jesus Christ or you can simply choose the alternative by merely remaining complacent in your way of thinking. It is your personal choice entirely.

May God Bless You in your personal decision!

[Shabda]

Originally Posted by AngelBreeze

But you forget that God allows us to make that decision for ourselves in order to become Saved. If you do not wish to become Saved, no one is going to force you to be. You can simply continue to think as you do and find out later. BUT, the great question is, are you willing to take that chance, that inevitable risk?

And what is the great opposition to Saving your own soul and spirit especially when you have been taught how to do it? Why so much resistance knowing it is so easy to do! Some very mistakenly think that they already are Saved without Jesus but that is not so. If it were so, He would have told us that there was another way, including for those who currently believe in other religions. There isn't. Remember the First and Second Commandments, respectively, that GOD gave to us as it would concern and relate to other belief systems! So, while people have the right to contemplate in which direction to go, the clock keeps on ticking and we aren't going backwards. Therefore, you have a plan laid out before you with which to attain Salvation through Jesus Christ or you can simply choose the alternative by merely remaining complacent in your way of thinking. It is your personal choice entirely.

May God Bless You in your personal decision!

disagree...there is no sych plan laid out, for if there were, there would be NO free will...also God hasnt a care in the world which path one chooses, and he doesnt prefer Jesus over Kabir (Kabir entered a realm of heaven that Jesus only dreams of, sorry, but its true)...it is VERY egotistical to assume that "salvation" is only to be acquired through jesus...it is also mistaken to think that jesus will save you, free will remember?? which means you must save YOURSELF...a simple concept really...

Originally Posted by Guard

The whole idea of God eternally puniishing those who do not follow this path makes no sense. There is no love in that. Now, imagine you being born in a hindu and some 40 years later some one knocks on your door and tell you that what you believe is wrong and you must convert to be saved?

Saved from what? That doesn't make sense. Now imagine if it was the other way round. I'm sick of so-called Christians thinking their beliefs are the centre of the universe and talk as if it was fact.

I follow Jesus as he is the most enlighted person to ever walk the earth. What would Jesus say about wars? What would Jesus say about raising animals for meat, stealing baby cows from their mothers to make veal. Is that love? Jesus would not see the love in that.

Jesus would be very upset to hear that people are doing all these bad things and would be quite angry to learn that they are being done in his name. I, personally, believe that Jesus was just a man like Gandhi or Mother Teresa.

According to God's plan as regards to Christianity, we are forced into existance beyond our will, and no matter where we land on this planet, we have to find Christianity or suffer eternally? At this rate, I'd say about 80% of the world is going to suffer then. YOu factor in non christians which is about 70% and then at least 10% of "christians" who really have not submitted to salvation and just go to church, feel good about themselves, etc.

And that is why I am glad not to be a Christian and that is coming from someone in a Catholic family even though I was never baptized or made to go to church every Sunday.

Originally Posted by AngelBreeze

[color="Indigo"][b]But you forget that God allows us to make that decision for ourselves in order to become Saved. If you do not wish to become Saved, no one is going to force you to be.

Saved from what? Saved from being thrown into the lake of fire? Sorry, I don't believe in that.

You can simply continue to think as you do and find out later. BUT, the great question is, are you willing to take that chance, that inevitable risk?

How is it a risk to believe in a loving god who would never damn people to hell just because they didn't believe in him?

And what is the great opposition to Saving your own soul and spirit especially when you have been taught how to do it? Why so much resistance knowing it is so easy to do! Some very mistakenly think that they already are Saved without Jesus but that is not so.

And some very mistakenly believe that is is so.

[ROM]

People who commit wrongdoings will find themselves in an environment where they can reflect on their actions; what prompted it, how it effected others, etc. Once they realise their wrongdoing, they are 'discharged' from said state to continue their journey. It's not eternal damnation of pain and torture. That's just a fear tactic invented by the church to maintain influence and control.

Originally Posted by ***ROM***

People who commit wrongdoings will find themselves in an environment where they can reflect on their actions; what prompted it, how it effected others, etc. Once they realise their wrongdoing, they are 'discharged' from said state to continue their journey. It's not eternal damnation of pain and torture. That's just a fear tactic invented by the church to maintain influence and control.

well said!