Can you get stuck here?

[Alienka]

They say that some ghosts are earth bound spirits who became trapped here.
It seems that they stuck not only on this Earthy level but also in some time loop too.
How would you know that you actually died? How to become 'unstuck' here and go to the light instead?

[Simon_Templar]

this is something i've being having a wonderful discussion with a member in another thread where we've being dicussing event horizons. I have been to asking myself am i at black magic, or am i a ghost, or am i some weird spirit for someone elses understanding of reality where its to be expected (like with me) we have ordinary lives filled with extraordinary things - i have TIME but it does sometimes only compensate (sometimes i ask whether the leprechaun, as it were, doesn't actually live happily or at least cant grant HIMSELF wishes) ... for me the loop is there. the loop goes round and round goes forward (i already know reality has finished as far as i would die of old age) and has started again) and goes back and sidewards and up and down but basically the life sequence remains the same - like a ghost - but i can't explain everybody else somehow magically being here cos if WE are alll ghosts then a lot of people are condemned to what only appears to be reality. i could go on ... HTH?

[linen53]

From what I have learned so far in my research, no one really gets stuck. To an outsider they may appear to be stuck but that spirit is there because they want to be there. All they have to do is ask for help and their angels and guides will be there to assist them.

On a second note,some people, when they die, still need to process certain events until they have finalized them (the events). So they go through the scenario again and again until they have settled the event and no longer have the need to relive it.

For example, an alcoholic who dies might attach himself to another alcoholic to relive his alcoholic experience he had when he was alive. He will continue to do that until he no longer wants to live that way.

Now to contradict what I wrote above, I have read if someone dies and was, say, murdered and experience a sudden, unexpected death, they might not even know they are dead and will still hang around thinking they are alive and well. They live in a foggy existence until someone tells them they are dead. Once they know they no longer have a physical body they move on.



I think foreknowledge is key. By familiarizing myself with what comes after I die and to know what to do is paramount.

from what I've been exposed to I've come to the current theory: Ghosts are like the burned marks in an old monitor. The electrical energy we channel while in life leave their mark on the world. Like the fabled Joe Cell that can provide energy even after it has been turned off and completely removed from the car so too does the body leave it's mark if a certain intensity is reached. Thus Ghosts aren't really the people but their impressions on the air. Sometimes they are strong impressions of the whole of the person, sometimes just of a single moment or emotion. Not to say that disembodied souls aren't possible, far from it. But I find most who speak of Ghosts do so under this banner. In this manner it can be that people create their own Ghosts, demons, whatever they want to call it.

Curiously there are similar impressions on the flesh that is part of us. Blood shared can leave an impression of the person who offered it, or organs for that matter. The heart of a suicide case went to a needy fellow who went to thank the family, fell in love with the previous owner's widow, shared the same amount of time with them before committing suicide on the anniversary of the original owner's death day. Energy will follow patterns, how they react to you is important, how you react to them more important.

As for knowing when you die. For the most part you will know. Only those who are inclined to deny the truth in life will continue after death, lying to themselves about their life as is their pattern to do. As for how you know it's a matter of being aware, the limits of your 'manifestation', and how strongly you are prepared. Ideal death conditions, ie your brain is still intact, those last few minutes that there is still brain activity you will experience the single most mind blowing trip of your life. If you've never had one, or even a strong religious experience, then you will be blown away completely. In these last moment your brain will have no input from the dead body, I imagine as the nerves in the spinal cord shut down there would be a great suffering, but then again Ideal conditions might turn this down. So locked away without stimulation you will not be hampered by relative time, balance, or body feedback. With the brain left to it's devices you will most likely be exposed to the depths of your souls, you will face a reconciliation of your life. hopefully you will be merciful to yourself, but many religions offer punishment in death, and so you will punish yourself for those things you couldn't accept to have done in life. After the brain dies completely there will be no moving energy to hold your soul's pattern.

Moving toward the Light is a popular thing, there are monks who visualize the changing of colors as their death approaches.

My advice: Accept Death. Do not be afraid. Visualize any guardians or escorts you need, real or imagined they will come to you when you pass and you will recognize your passing and flow with the energy of your personal evolution. Best of luck to us all!

Originally Posted by linen53

From what I have learned so far in my research, no one really gets stuck. To an outsider they may appear to be stuck but that spirit is there because they want to be there. All they have to do is ask for help and their angels and guides will be there to assist them.

On a second note,some people, when they die, still need to process certain events until they have finalized them (the events). So they go through the scenario again and again until they have settled the event and no longer have the need to relive it.

For example, an alcoholic who dies might attach himself to another alcoholic to relive his alcoholic experience he had when he was alive. He will continue to do that until he no longer wants to live that way.

Now to contradict what I wrote above, I have read if someone dies and was, say, murdered and experience a sudden, unexpected death, they might not even know they are dead and will still hang around thinking they are alive and well. They live in a foggy existence until someone tells them they are dead. Once they know they no longer have a physical body they move on.



I think foreknowledge is key. By familiarizing myself with what comes after I die and to know what to do is paramount.

I had a weird experience almost exactly as you describe here. I had a ghost here, named George, who died when he fell back out back stairs drunk and broke his neck. He kept tripping me on the stairs.

I am a recovered/recovering alcoholic (13 years of sobriety as of May of 2014), so when this happened I'd been sober a long time but I was going through a difficult emotional patch. I couldn't get rid of George, couldn't get him to knock it off. Saging was a joke--I think it made him angrier.

Finally I had to call on my guide and boom, problem solved.

Fast forward a year to this past summer. My husband gave me the gift of a reading with a medium at Lily Dale. It was pretty good, but what really freaked me out what when she said, "There is a older man, maybe a relative you didn't know well, his name is George. He is interested in AA and has been following you around to see how you got well, because AA wasn't around when he was alive."

I mean, whoa. She didn't even know MY name, let alone know what ghosts were hanging around me.

I thought you'd like that story. I mean, it does confirm what you say here. George hung around until he saw how it could have been different.

Also, I agree that people who are caught between planes usually are there because they won't let go of some negative pattern, and others are just
'de-toxing' so to speak.

That's why it doesn't always work to tell them to go into the Light. They have to be ready, they have to want to do that.

[linen53]

pgrundy, that is a profound experience you had. Yes! I believe they are there because they want to be. Detox is a good way to describe it. They need to process their experience(s) until they get it out of their system.

redeyessoul, might your burned out monitor theory actually be a split of the soul into different scenes they experienced while alive? There are theories that we are multidimensional and actually are experiencing life on many different planes/dimensions at the same time.

I do like what you say about those who deny truth in life might deny truth when they die. However, each person experiences death differently. So to lump them in the same pot would be erroneous.

I had an aunt. Everytime someone was on their death bed she and her husband would go to "visit" but she would never approach the bed of the dying. She would congregate with other relatives and friends and avoid anything to do with death. I believe she might have been frightened of death but wasn't sure.

Last year, she was diagnosed with a brain tumor which was advanced and inoperable. I swear, she died 4 days after she was diagnosed. So with the previous observations I had of her dealing with death, I believe she just didn't want to deal with death. Quick and get it over with. Just because she avoided death didn't mean she was in denial or avoiding the truth.

As an afternote. She did contact me after she died and told me she was doing well.

Actually I agree Linen :).


But I don't like to make these statements, generally speaking, because of potentially mixed audiences.

Glad to hear that your contact was good :) glad to hear she is well :)

Glory to us all

personally i feel some when they die either miss the bus to the light (its how i describe to others,its not really a bus, or sometimes is like being beamed up in star trek is another way i describe it) or dont want to get on the bus for what ever reason,fear,denial,not ready.if they avoid going then they hang about doing what ever they feel the nneed to. some really dont know they have died.which is very sad to come across. others are too scared to go,sad again,others are afraid of seeing their passed loved ones as "they" are ghosts and if they are ghosts then they have come for me type of thing,its too scary for them,so they run.its variedas to why some get stuck,till they find a way of going. me i get them homing in on me and they bother me till i help.

[linen53]

Originally Posted by redeyessoul

Actually I agree Linen :).


But I don't like to make these statements, generally speaking, because of potentially mixed audiences.

Glad to hear that your contact was good :) glad to hear she is well :)

Glory to us all

redeyesoul can you explain the bolded sentence please.