Buddha Nature

[sky]

Originally Posted by Phaelyn

Words and ideas are very good stuff?

Seems like freedom from thinking may be better.

Silence is not the absence of something
but the presence of everything.
— Hayley Hasselhoff

' Seems like freedom from thinking may be better.'

No so, according to the Buddha

We are what we think, having become what we thought.
Like the wheel that follows the cart-pulling ox,
sorrow follows an evil thought.
We are what we think, having become what we thought.
Like the shadow that never leaves one,
happiness follows a pure thought.



'Who is it that notices these thoughts as wholesome or unwholesome and responds for the benefit of all beings.'

[sky]

[quote=sky123]' Seems like freedom from thinking may be better.'

No so, according to the Buddha

We are what we think, having become what we thought.
Like the wheel that follows the cart-pulling ox,
sorrow follows an evil thought.
We are what we think, having become what we thought.
Like the shadow that never leaves one,
happiness follows a pure thought.



'Who is it that notices these thoughts as wholesome or unwholesome and responds for the benefit of all beings.' That's what we have to be careful of, thinking we are our thoughts causes the suffering.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Phaelyn

Words and ideas are very good stuff?

Seems like freedom from thinking may be better.

Silence is not the absence of something
but the presence of everything.
— Hayley Hasselhoff

That would not be Buddha Nature then would it?

As Dzogchen Master Norbu explains, silence is not the goal.

[running]

look at this.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pond...v-X9t-iAs4oYWM

then look at any of these.

https://www.google.com/search?q=rive...EFTBceSzDt06SM


top one is filthy. while the others are clean. why? because the filthy one has no current. the clean ones have current.

without the feminine aspect of current running through your nervous system it takes effort to be clean. with the power of the feminine one is clean without effort. its REALLY that simple. but here on planet earth 99% do not get it.

[running]

overlooked like the souped up little nash rambler. in all of us waiting to be discovered. she can make the impossible, possible. in second gear! beep! beep!

https://youtu.be/enqNl7tdLR4




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[Phaelyn]

Originally Posted by running

look at this.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pond...v-X9t-iAs4oYWM

then look at any of these.

https://www.google.com/search?q=rive...EFTBceSzDt06SM


top one is filthy. while the others are clean. why? because the filthy one has no current. the clean ones have current.

without the feminine aspect of current running through your nervous system it takes effort to be clean. with the power of the feminine one is clean without effort. its REALLY that simple. but here on planet earth 99% do not get it.

Another way to look at that is when we are not focusing on our conditioning, the talking in our heads, every moment is like new. Free and clear. The current is the ever changing experience, mucking it up would be the static of habitual conditioned thinking. Bringing in the ego to the experience or now.

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by Phaelyn

Another way to look at that is when we are not focusing on our conditioning, the talking in our heads, every moment is like new. Free and clear. The current is the ever changing experience, mucking it up would be the static of habitual conditioned thinking. Bringing in the ego to the experience or now.

That's it?

That would just be silence wouldn't it?

[running]

Originally Posted by Phaelyn

Another way to look at that is when we are not focusing on our conditioning, the talking in our heads, every moment is like new. Free and clear. The current is the ever changing experience, mucking it up would be the static of habitual conditioned thinking. Bringing in the ego to the experience or now.

the key word i used was nervous system. the nervous system is the instrument used by the feminine divine to express herself as joy in the body. which happens irrespective of everything. therefore cleans the system on autopilot. keeps it clean. like a filtering device with a bonus of ecstatic joyful feeling in the body and mind.

nothing wrong with what you said about current. its just a different topic than what i brought up. which of course is fine. perhaps you knowingly brought up another topic.

[Phaelyn]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

That's it?

That would just be silence wouldn't it?

That state can be held if one is talking, conversing, listening to or aware of talking or thought, within and without, is in a crowd of people all talking, while walking through a noisy city, so what do you mean by silence? Maybe better to say, "It would be liberation wouldn't it?"

[Phaelyn]

Originally Posted by sky123

'Who is it that notices these thoughts as wholesome or unwholesome and responds for the benefit of all beings.'

Me

Originally Posted by sky123

That's what we have to be careful of, thinking we are our thoughts causes the suffering.

Personally identifying with the thoughts as reality, instead of being aware of what they are which is unnecessary "coloring" on an already perfectly colored page. We don't think we are our thoughts, as we know we have them, but we assume we are the creators of them, that they are from "us" and we instantly accept the "truth" of them, whatever they are presenting to us as an interpretation.