Explanation of Trinity for Modern Christians

[Amilius777]

The Trinity needs to be updated and understood for all now that science And psychology have advanced. And if you are a hardcore orthodoxy please refrain from hate replies

Since I have a brain and have thoughts I have something to explain:


First off: the Trinity is not an exclusive member club between three corporate CEOs named God Jesus and the Spirit

The Trinity is a made up word but the meaning is from the beginning

God as first cause and first person is nothing but Pure Eternal Consciousness. Pure consciousness is the same as Pure Spirit. And this person moved and began creating from thought and consciousness. Spiritual energy is conscious and because God shares God-self in relation to creation, the Holy Spirit " the consciousness and energy of God" proceeded from the Father. The Holy Spirit has given independent life to all creatures angels humans souls. The Spirit which is also God-self and God shares self with these forms giving them individual souls or produces them as individual spirits.

Now because God shares Godself and now has a manifested creation all of creation is a reflection of the Father. Creation can not come from nothing and so creation is also conscious and is God-self in a cosmic form called The Logos or Word or Christ.

Creation as the natural world is perfect and behaves perfectly as he image it was conceived as and that is the Cosmic Christ the second person of the Trinity begotten by the Father or eternally reflected by the Father

Where does Jesus fit into this? Jesus was the individual soul who was pure and realized this truth of oneness that when he incarnated he was bringing the shared God-self or he as God Himself or Divinity into physical awareness for mankind. This made him both outwardly human and inwardly potentially divine.

Now I personally believe Jesus had past lives but you don't have to share my beliefs. Jesus though in his trials and getting it right as a man and human got it right as being divine and through his death and resurrection of the everyday false self became the Christ of infinite creation or the body of Christ. He is both the descent of God-self. (God himself) via incarnation and the first man to become divinized. Jesus took his place in the Trinity as the Son and Christ and prepared the way to the Father for us all to partake of the Trinity

[Miss Hepburn]

I Like this A LOT!
:)

[Amilius777]

Thank you Miss Hepburn.

I wish I could drawn and explanation of what I see and feel.

I guess you could imagine God or the Divine Consciousness as something abstract as Water. Now lets imagine Water being conscious of itself, almost like a Conscious Energy. That is basically what God is.

Now imagine Liquid, a Solid, and gas. Or lets say imagine liquid water, frozen ice, and steam. Each element is distinct and different and they are of themselves. Now imagine the liquid, the frozen solid, and the steam to be conscious as well. They all share the same "essence" "consciousness" or "conscious energy" which IS God.

But each one is distinctly itself. The Father is the liquid, the Son is the frozen solid, and the steam is the Holy Ghost. What is amazing about this is that the Son being the frozen solid is very different from the other two. It is both liquid and a frozen object. Jesus can be seen like this. He is both God- his Divine Consciousness is God (liquid), and he is Man- his individual-self consciousness (frozen solid).

It is almost as if both the Father and Holy Spirit are ONLY God, whereas the Son is both God and an individual soul. The Son is the bridge, Jesus is the bridge between the mind of God and the mind of the world.

Majority of Christians believe Jesus just came that way with the package. I believe on the other hand that Jesus did start off as God's Son from eternity, but became flesh again and again guiding the Old Testament prophets until he became Jesus Christ of Nazareth and returned to the Father and returned to his office as the Son in the Trinity.

Life is kinda like that- well start from a beginning and end up where we started or lets say life is like a big circle going back and forth.


Jesus is complicated because no human has yet reached his state. In his divinity we knew all things and whatever he did from a spiritual perspective was divine. He not only did God's Will, he was God's Will, or his own will was God's will. But while being human he fought with a selfish will that he overcame. That is why he is the Example- Way. He both God embracing the lower nature, and also overcoming it- and he is a Man who rose that lower-nature up to God his Father.

It can blow up your mind over-thinking this. But then again the Divine Consciousness is absolute and impossible to fathom on a human level.

[Miss Hepburn]

Oh, right.
I forgot about the water, steam and ice image.
Thanks.

[Amilius777]

What is also amazing in my opinion is that God has given us the divine status from our conception.

Everyone has started as an infant with the mustard seed of divinity just awaiting to awaken like a budding flower.

Christ the Son, the potential Image of our true nature (both divine and human) is the future of the soul or at least the "HOPEFUL" future. I can not say what the end point is for all souls since I am not God lol.

I think we have all been on a long journey towards transformation. We began as thought conceptions in the Divine Mind (Father) and went out to become born of his Womb (Holy Spirit) and we are to develop our souls or spirits as we choose. And that potential Tree, Image, Olive Branch, Word, Son is within us all.

Jesus of Nazareth: firstborn of the dead (first man awakened from separation)

Jesus of Nazareth: the Son of Man (the spiritualized waking consciousness)

Jesus of Nazareth: the Last Adam (a new father-standard of the human race)

Jesus of Nazareth: the servant of God (the advanced messenger from Father)

Jesus of Nazareth: In all ways tempted/tested (The man who overcame)



THE CHRIST:

The Christ- the visible image of God (the physical embodiment of divinity)

The Christ- the only begotten Son (the only like-minded Person to God Himself)

The Christ: the Olive Branch (the incarnate Holy Spirit manifesting peace)

The Christ: the Word of God (the Om, the Will, the Manifestation of God)

The Christ: Without Sin (the oneness between God and the soul- no separation)

Combine these two states of consciousness together and you have Jesus Christ, a single individual in his waking-everyday state, and the other his superconscious-higher state in communion with God. The human and divine.

Jesus Christ, the second member of the Trinity- both God and Man who lives and shares in the trinitarian life with the Father and Holy Spirit.

Jesus began like a mustard seed, a conception in the mind of God, and God watched over him in every incarnation knowing he would become the one, he would be the one, and is the one. All that was actualized in his Nazarene incarnation.

[jojo50]

But the trinity or even what it suppose to mean was never a teachings even from the true servants of Jehovah God from the days of old. Servants of the old says KNEW there was ONLY one true God ,just as Jesus taught. In which Jesus SHOWED that if we want to gain eternal life. We have to get to KOWN his Father, as well as getting to know him ,(John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent). And if we do research, we would see how the “trinity” originated. Which would show it wasn't a teaching of Jesus. There’s too many scriptures showing what many are teaching concerning this, isn't true. The Holy Spirit ISN'T a being, MANY miss-understood what Jesus was saying at, (Matt. 12:31,32). now IF there was a 3-in-1 god, or anything of the nature, why wasn’t the Father mention?

Jesus wouldn’t have left him out, especially since he mentioned himself! But he really didn't!, he’s speaking of one talking down on God’s power. The HS isn’t a being, but God causing to happen. To speak ill against it, is saying God can’t do, which will cause ones life. Whatever Jehovah wants to happen, it happens through his WILL, Not another being. We can see from scriptural proof of this ,(Acts 7:55, 56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God), Stephen seen into Heaven because God wanted him to, NOT because there was a spirit being helping him to.

Also see , (Acts 11:24 For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord), Barnabas was a true servants of God, he allowed himself to be full of God’s HS. This is why he was a good man, but also a faithful servant. There’s NO being helping him to be this person. And ,(2Pet. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost). We can see it's by Jehovah's WILL or Power, in which these men were able do certain things. And if the HS was some part of God as a being. Why didn't Jesus mention “him” here ,(Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father).

Here he showed he didn't even KNOW when the end would come. As for the HS, (a “spirit being”), Jesus didn't even mention “him” at all. Jesus also said him and his Father are one ,(John 10:30), ONLY meaning they also on the same accord. NOT that they are one being or all together, Just as a husband and wife should be ,(Matt. 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?), These are STILL two different people. ANY teachings of the trinity or ANYTHING pertaining to it, is of satan. peace

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by jojo50

But the trinity or even what it suppose to mean was never a teachings even from the true servants of Jehovah God from the days of old. Servants of the old says KNEW there was ONLY one true God ,just as Jesus taught. In which Jesus SHOWED that if we want to gain eternal life. We have to get to KOWN his Father, as well as getting to know him ,(John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent). And if we do research, we would see how the “trinity” originated. Which would show it wasn't a teaching of Jesus. There’s too many scriptures showing what many are teaching concerning this, isn't true. The Holy Spirit ISN'T a being, MANY miss-understood what Jesus was saying at, (Matt. 12:31,32). now IF there was a 3-in-1 god, or anything of the nature, why wasn’t the Father mention?

Jesus wouldn’t have left him out, especially since he mentioned himself! But he really didn't!, he’s speaking of one talking down on God’s power. The HS isn’t a being, but God causing to happen. To speak ill against it, is saying God can’t do, which will cause ones life. Whatever Jehovah wants to happen, it happens through his WILL, Not another being. We can see from scriptural proof of this ,(Acts 7:55, 56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God), Stephen seen into Heaven because God wanted him to, NOT because there was a spirit being helping him to.

Also see , (Acts 11:24 For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord), Barnabas was a true servants of God, he allowed himself to be full of God’s HS. This is why he was a good man, but also a faithful servant. There’s NO being helping him to be this person. And ,(2Pet. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost). We can see it's by Jehovah's WILL or Power, in which these men were able do certain things. And if the HS was some part of God as a being. Why didn't Jesus mention “him” here ,(Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father).

Here he showed he didn't even KNOW when the end would come. As for the HS, (a “spirit being”), Jesus didn't even mention “him” at all. Jesus also said him and his Father are one ,(John 10:30), ONLY meaning they also on the same accord. NOT that they are one being or all together, Just as a husband and wife should be ,(Matt. 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?), These are STILL two different people. ANY teachings of the trinity or ANYTHING pertaining to it, is of satan. peace

Jesus stated that if He go away that He would send the beleivers,
" The Comforter ".
He told them, as we read in one of the Gsopels, to go forth baptizing in the name of " the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "

In Genesis the Lord refers to Himself as, "Us".
In the desert, three "angels" appear to Abraham, who he readily refers to as "Lord". Who then go on to assess and to judge Sodom.

Of course three, also, is a high profile and number of Divinity.
As is seven, and also nine, and twelve.

Certain "sects" also have a problem with the understanding of Jesus Christ being God in the flesh, and in humanity.

They ask in shortsightedness "how can God be both the Father, and the Son?"
But, the issue is about the greater truth and reality of Spirit. In illustration, if you place a vessel in a tank of water, is it still not all the same water?
If you take the glass or vessel out of the tank, is it still not the same water? The Nativity and the Virgin Birth is all about this situation, which celebration of approaches.
Now, it is Ego and the devil which wants to state that Jesus was merely a good man. Even though from the Old Testament we read there is none among humanity (fallen), which is "Good".
Only God, Who is Spirit is Good.

Talking about Spirit is not the same as with materiality in the world, or flesh. Wherin duality is evident.

[jojo50]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Jesus stated that if He go away that He would send the beleivers, " The Comforter ". b[color=black]He told them, as we read in one of the Gsopels, to go forth baptizing in the name of " the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "[/COLORbIn Genesis the Lord refers to Himself as, "Us".
In the desert, three "angels" appear to Abraham, who he readily refers to as "Lord". Who then go on to assess and to judge Sodom.bOf course three, also, is a high profile and number of Divinity. As is seven, and also nine, and twelve.Certain "sects" also have a problem with the understanding of Jesus Christ being God in the flesh, and in humanity.They ask in shortsightedness "how can God be both the Father, and the Son?" But, the issue is about the greater truth and reality of Spirit. In illustration, if you place a vessel in a tank of water, is it still not all the same water?
If you take the glass or vessel out of the tank, is it still not the same water? The Nativity and the Virgin Birth is all about this situation, which celebration of approaches.Now, it is Ego and the devil which wants to state that Jesus was merely a good man. Even though from the Old Testament we read there is none among humanity (fallen), which is "Good".Only God, Who is Spirit is Good.Talking about Spirit is not the same as with materiality in the world, or flesh. Wherin duality is evident.

but MANY know Jesus was MORE than just a “good man.” Jesus was a perfect spirit being, who was sent by his Father as HE... had said to save mankind ,(John 3:16,17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved). The comforter he sent, was ,(and he wasn't speaking in a literal sense but symbolic), was Jehovah's Holy Spirit. Jesus KNEW when he was on earth, his true followers not only stayed in line. But they had him to help guide them spiritual. Jesus KNEW once he left, with satan here on earth ,(Rev. 12:12 and 1Pet.5:8) ,without something to help them, they could end up lost and causing others to be so. MANY keep believing the HS is a being, especially because Jesus said he will “send.” Jesus knew it's by means of his Father's WILL, or Power, they would be helped. Again the HS ISN'T A being, I already post many scriptures showing it's by Jehovah God's WILL or Power which helps us. And “certain sects”... go by what Jesus said, and not what they want it to be.

So when Jesus say... (John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. “thou” meaning you ,as in God). And here...(John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me), Jesus CLEARLY shows ... he CAN'T do ANYTHING, WITHOUT his Father's WILL. And here... (John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me), Again Jesus showed he was SENT... by his Father. And once again here ...(John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him). Jesus showed he's about PLEASING his Father. Jesus said concerning the Power he had ,(Matt. 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth), Now who GAVE him this Power? If he was “God”, he would ALREADY have it.

one may say, but NOT as a human, ok!, but then scriptures shows this.. AFTER his death, when he's BACK!,... in Heaven, WITH his Father and God ,(Psa. 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool). NOTICE the TWO “lords”, one in caps, the other ISN'T. This shows there are TWO BEINGS, Jehovah God and Jesus. Jesus will soon RETURN ALL Power BACK to his Father ,and (1Cor. 15:25-28 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, (God), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all). Lastly two scripture which PROVES Jesus, (the Lamb is WITH... his Father and God, NOT the Father or God ,(Rev. 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb). Two beings here!, one sitting ON THE THRONE, Jehovah God, And the Lamb Jesus, No third being mentioned here.

finally ,(Rev. 5:1-7 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne).

Again Jesus and his Father, God, who the bible speaks of as being Jehovah ,(Exo.6:3 and Psa. 83:18). so are you saying Jesus words as well as the words of his Father ,through his faithful servants are ALL wrong? And doesn't mean exactly what they ALL are saying? peace

How about this idea.

We are all the sons/daughters of God.
We are all "one" with God.
Jesus was more in tune to that than others are.
The more spiritually advanced we are, the closer we come to realise our being "God" in the flesh.

Heresy, I know.

[Simon_Templar]

Originally Posted by Ecthalion

How about this idea.

We are all the sons/daughters of God.
(No, I don't believe we are the Nephilim)
We are all "one" with God.
Jesus was more in tune to that than others are.
The more spiritually advanced we are, the closer we come to realise our being "God" in the flesh.

Heresy, I know.

I think we may well become conduct of the flesh of the trinity ... and if god is more god than human, and the Spirit (the holy ghost) is more than human, surely there is room for us all ... now THAT might be heresy lol