Heaven: Easy vs. hard life

Suppose two souls enter heaven. By God's will the two souls had extreme routes in life. One grew up poor, struggled in life, often hungry, had no friends or family, faced many hardships and generally suffered their entire life. While the other was born with money, had many opportunities and varied experiences, had many friends, had a happy marriage with a loving family, and generally had what most would call a great life.

During the next eternity, would there be any differences in what the souls experience in heaven based on how their lives went? The soul who had a richer life, with extended friends and family would they necessary have a richer experience in heaven being reunited with all the people they had ties during life?

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by Tedmil

Suppose two souls enter heaven. By God's will the two souls had extreme routes in life. One grew up poor, struggled in life, often hungry, had no friends or family, faced many hardships and generally suffered their entire life. While the other was born with money, had many opportunities and varied experiences, had many friends, had a happy marriage with a loving family, and generally had what most would call a great life.

During the next eternity, would there be any differences in what the souls experience in heaven based on how their lives went? The soul who had a richer life, with extended friends and family would they necessary have a richer experience in heaven being reunited with all the people they had ties during life?

Usually, so far they live with their species of family if they're back to their ancestors' family members.There will be totally different, they can be his elder generations only. Former human friends are hard to meet again. They're totally new life and new family members only. Friends may not going back to their own families and left on earth.

If you're going to Christianity heaven and again your friends on earth next time may not be able to get there. And the friends there are new. The life or life objective there are different from what you're on earth. And the only one who are chosen can be back to Christianity heaven. So no one can be sure who to meet or reunion of anyone you know or tie in your life. But I have seen couples there.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Bong

Usually, so far they live with their species of family if they're back to their ancestors' family members.There will be totally different, they can be his elder generations only. Former human friends are hard to meet again. They're totally new life and new family members only. Friends may not going back to their own families and left on earth.

If you're going to Christianity heaven and again your friends on earth next time may not be able to get there. And the friends there are new. The life or life objective there are different from what you're on earth. And the only one who are chosen can be back to Christianity heaven. So no one can be sure who to meet or reunion of anyone you know or tie in your life. But I have seen couples there.

How did you see couples in heaven?
(Matthew 22:30)'At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven' If there is to be no marriage after the resurrection why would there be couples in heaven?

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by Tedmil

How did you see couples in heaven?
(Matthew 22:30)'At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven' If there is to be no marriage after the resurrection why would there be couples in heaven?

I think Bible is only written as Angels family truth. But they're so many other Gods' families in the universe. So my saying is about others' family members. Once, I killed an old Goddess because they're fighting against me badly. After his husband surrendered to me, I asked where's his wife, he said, she's killed by me . So I revived her for him. Later on I find that she's my Goddess wife's ten generation ancestors.

It's not wrong to believe what's written in the Bible but sometimes it's only the Angels family truth or Christianity belief only.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by Tedmil

Suppose two souls enter heaven. By God's will the two souls had extreme routes in life. One grew up poor, struggled in life, often hungry, had no friends or family, faced many hardships and generally suffered their entire life. While the other was born with money, had many opportunities and varied experiences, had many friends, had a happy marriage with a loving family, and generally had what most would call a great life.

During the next eternity, would there be any differences in what the souls experience in heaven based on how their lives went? The soul who had a richer life, with extended friends and family would they necessary have a richer experience in heaven being reunited with all the people they had ties during life?

i think it is pretty clear what the bible says about the end result of those two disparate ways of life. It is summed up again here: the last become first and many of the first become last. and again it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And many other such things were said which the rich people willfully ignore in their quest to think highly of themselves and their riches. And the poor people don't know enough to take heart in their own plight - again because of what was said about their own ending what they get from all this is wondrous! All very sad, that there are so many lies going around and people buy into them. But I guess we were told about THAT too... but in the end it is just another thing to ignore on the basis that we simply don't like the idea, I suppose.

[Ordnael]

Would you accept to receive more benefits than someone who has gone through greater difficulties than you just to get to the same place? I would be ashamed of it and would be happy to know that someone who suffered more than me got their recompense for it.

In the doctrine that I believe there are 3 basic things that bring merit to a person, which are: spiritual knowledge, acts, and suffering. Without proper spiritual knowledge people would be suffering in vain and would not gain merit. A lot of spiritual knowledge but little suffering means you had an easy life, and were not as great as someone who also had the right knowledge and suffered more. Acts will show how virtuous you are, so it doesn't matter if someone has great knowledge and suffers, if he is not morally good there is no merit at all.

Originally Posted by Ordnael

Would you accept to receive more benefits than someone who has gone through greater difficulties than you just to get to the same place? I would be ashamed of it and would be happy to know that someone who suffered more than me got their recompense for it.

In the doctrine that I believe there are 3 basic things that bring merit to a person, which are: spiritual knowledge, acts, and suffering. Without proper spiritual knowledge people would be suffering in vain and would not gain merit. A lot of spiritual knowledge but little suffering means you had an easy life, and were not as great as someone who also had the right knowledge and suffered more. Acts will show how virtuous you are, so it doesn't matter if someone has great knowledge and suffers, if he is not morally good there is no merit at all.

There is a key difference between suffering from random hardships and suffering from persecution for faith.

[Imzadi]

Originally Posted by Tedmil

Suppose two souls enter heaven. By God's will the two souls had extreme routes in life. One grew up poor, struggled in life, often hungry, had no friends or family, faced many hardships and generally suffered their entire life. While the other was born with money, had many opportunities and varied experiences, had many friends, had a happy marriage with a loving family, and generally had what most would call a great life.

During the next eternity, would there be any differences in what the souls experience in heaven based on how their lives went? The soul who had a richer life, with extended friends and family would they necessary have a richer experience in heaven being reunited with all the people they had ties during life?

I think the experience of the souls in Heaven depends mostly on what lies in their hearts and how they live their lives as oppose to what blessings or challenges that they may have encountered while on Earth.

For instance, let's say the 1st soul suffered many hardships such as what you mentioned, but they tend to turn away from God because they felt that everything is unfair and they are ungrateful for what they do have. They harbor feelings of envy, jealousy, resentment towards those who have more than them. Instead of utilizing their hardship to transform into a deeper faith and relationship with God, they ended up becoming hardened and bitter. Because of such negativity, they are unable to store their "treasures" in Heaven.

On the contrary, if the 2nd soul live a life of privilege and recognizes their immense blessings is a gift from God, they may choose to use their blessings and devote their life to assisting others. They feel that their blessings is a gift from God and not a right and that they should use their abilities and power to help those less fortunate than them. They experience a profound gratitude, not merely because of their material wealth and good fortune, but also because of their connection to God.

In this scenario, when these two souls enter Heaven, who do you think have more Heavenly treasures stored? The one with envy and resentment in their heart or the one with gratitude and compassion?

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal..." Matthew 6:19-20

Originally Posted by Imzadi

I think the experience of the souls in Heaven depends mostly on what lies in their hearts and how they live their lives as oppose to what blessings or challenges that they may have encountered while on Earth.

For instance, let's say the 1st soul suffered many hardships such as what you mentioned, but they tend to turn away from God because they felt that everything is unfair and they are ungrateful for what they do have. They harbor feelings of envy, jealousy, resentment towards those who have more than them. Instead of utilizing their hardship to transform into a deeper faith and relationship with God, they ended up becoming hardened and bitter. Because of such negativity, they are unable to store their "treasures" in Heaven.

On the contrary, if the 2nd soul live a life of privilege and recognizes their immense blessings is a gift from God, they may choose to use their blessings and devote their life to assisting others. They feel that their blessings is a gift from God and not a right and that they should use their abilities and power to help those less fortunate than them. They experience a profound gratitude, not merely because of their material wealth and good fortune, but also because of their connection to God.

In this scenario, when these two souls enter Heaven, who do you think have more Heavenly treasures stored? The one with envy and resentment in their heart or the one with gratitude and compassion?

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal..." Matthew 6:19-20

That completely changes the context of the question. If one turns from God there's no fair comparison.

[Busby]

Originally Posted by Tedmil

Suppose two souls enter heaven. By God's will the two souls had extreme routes in life. One grew up poor, struggled in life, often hungry, had no friends or family, faced many hardships and generally suffered their entire life. While the other was born with money, had many opportunities and varied experiences, had many friends, had a happy marriage with a loving family, and generally had what most would call a great life.

During the next eternity, would there be any differences in what the souls experience in heaven based on how their lives went? The soul who had a richer life, with extended friends and family would they necessary have a richer experience in heaven being reunited with all the people they had ties during life?

Maybe you should have asked a different question. Why doesn'i God make all men equal at birth, why are there those who as you say have to fight, suffer, even hide. Why are there handsome men and women and ugly ones. Why are there those born blind and deformed and those born with beautiful voices and lovely everythings...

Why aren't men and women equal and haven't been for all these centuries, and so on. Why did Jesus prove this failure by not having any women disciples, something that would have been only right in modern eyes.

All the answers we find in the scriptures, 'the sins of the fathers' and so on is a laughable explanation. A just God would make sure every one of us gets the same start, the same surroundings, the same environment, the same qualities. He'd also give everyone the same chance, not having Eskimos stuck up at the north Pole whilst Jesus was preaching to a gathering of uneducated camel drivers in the middle East.

Following this pre-sorting at birth we can assume that in heaven some sort of heirachy will exist of the 'holier than thou' variety.