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Old 30-07-2016, 07:27 PM
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The last two posts are full of wisdom, thanks Fox & Bear you have taught me something....
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Old 30-07-2016, 10:15 PM
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EMPTINESS:
When Tesshu (1836-88), the famous Japanese samurai master of the sword, was young and headstrong, he visited one Zen master after another. Once he went to visit Master Dokuon and triumphantly announced to him the classic Buddhist teaching that all that exists is empty, there is really no you or me, and so on. The master listened to all this in silence. Suddenly he snatched up his pipe and struck Tesshu’s head with it. The infuriated young swordsman would have killed the master there and then, but Dokuon said calmly, “Emptiness is sure quick to show anger, is it not?” Tesshu left the room, realizing he still had much to learn about Zen. He later became fully enlightened and founded the art of “no-sword.”
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Old 31-07-2016, 01:13 AM
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I just observe and listen,...

One could also say, "Observe and listen without the "I"

The "I" always wants to do something, state something, see something, analyze, judge, ....so observing and listening is so much easier if you drop the "I" part of it. It becomes effortless.
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Old 31-07-2016, 09:04 AM
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One could also say, "Observe and listen without the "I"

The "I" always wants to do something, state something, see something, analyze, judge, ....so observing and listening is so much easier if you drop the "I" part of it. It becomes effortless.



The only judgment and analysing is coming through your own story showing here as you are showing. Are you not aware your the ONE creating all this?

I observe and listen. (My I is clear)

End of story
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Old 31-07-2016, 09:49 AM
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The only judgment and analysing is coming through your own story showing here as you are showing. Are you not aware your the ONE creating all this?

I observe and listen. ( my I is clear)

End of story.

I think if you drop the "I " then it become emptiness seeing emptiness that's great to become totally ascended. I more prefer to experience my consciousness awareness of "I" to see emptiness. That's an excess of sense in emptiness.
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Old 31-07-2016, 09:55 AM
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I think if you drop the "I " then it become emptiness seeing emptiness that's great to become totally ascended. I more prefer to experience my consciousness awareness of "I" to see emptiness. That's an excess of sense in emptiness.


I love to observe without thought and listen to music without thought but it's not always possible in everyday living, finding time and space to do it is well worth the effort though.
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Old 31-07-2016, 10:10 AM
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I think if you drop the "I " then it become emptiness seeing emptiness that's great to become totally ascended. I more prefer to experience my consciousness awareness of "I" to see emptiness. That's an excess of sense in emptiness.

Thanks for sharing Jeremy.


In my complete state after coming to see my own emptiness and old story meet in myself, I let go of the story once I let go of the process of it in myself. I understand this Jeremy from both sides that once depicted more effort to be under those guises that Ryan speaks of, but I am not attached to this. Now days I am more aware of myself just being complete. So effortless becomes even more effortless in the awareness of what I am now and from where I am expressing from. I allow myself to express more openly and clearly all the while knowing my own experience and what has ended in me. And naturally I am mindful of myself in that expression by showing that it is about me in everyway I am showing myself in that being. Emptiness opened the doorway to being myself. And that for me feels complete and effortless.
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I love to observe without thought and listen to music without thought but it's not always possible in everyday living, finding time and space to do it is well worth the effort though.

Can your emptiness listen music? I think that's great also. But your emptiness is an "I" unless you don't listen that's not an "I".

Unless you are sleeping then there's not an "I".
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Old 31-07-2016, 10:22 AM
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I love to observe without thought and listen to music without thought but it's not always possible in everyday living, finding time and space to do it is well worth the effort though.

The mind in everyday living can be quietened down with conscious effort, to bring about a more effortless state of being this. The I tells itself stories as to why and what it all means, but those thoughts keep all that going. Which is what I was addressing to Ryan. We create our minds interactions by what we tell ourselves. Who is the one that ends that or changes the channel? Me of course. Practicing mindfulness in real life stuff is where it serves me to deepen mindfulness because real life stuff challenges you to stay more present. Relaxing and enjoying music you can settle without disturbances much less.
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Old 31-07-2016, 12:13 PM
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Know all things to be like this:
A mirage, a cloud castle,
A dream, an apparition,
Without essence, but with qualities that can be seen.

Know all things to be like this:
As the moon in a bright sky
In some clear lake reflected,
Though to that lake the moon has never moved.

Know all things to be like this:
As an echo that derives
From music, sounds, and weeping,
Yet in that echo is no melody.

Know all things to be like this:
As a magician makes illusions
Of horses, oxen, carts and other things,
Nothing is as it appears.

The Buddha.
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