Heaven&Hell

From what I've read so far on the forum I've come to conclusion that the vast majority of the people believe in reincarnation.
I'm just wondering what happened in your life that you stopped believing in rewards and punishments system in heaven and hell?

Originally Posted by Yassi

From what I've read so far on the forum I've come to conclusion that the vast majority of the people believe in reincarnation.
I'm just wondering what happened in your life that you stopped believing in rewards and punishments system in heaven and hell?

I'm certainly one who believes that reincarnation is an option for all....

As for the, quote: ".... believing in rewards and punishments system in heaven and hell?" well I was never hobbled by any such beliefs so I'm unable to answer your question. But may I ask one in return that may open up communication?

Might there be something in your life that leaves you believing in a rewards and punishments system in a heaven and a hell?

Originally Posted by mac

I'm certainly one who believes that reincarnation is an option for all....

As for the, quote: ".... believing in rewards and punishments system in heaven and hell?" well I was never hobbled by any such beliefs so I'm unable to answer your question. But may I ask one in return that may open up communication?

Might there be something in your life that leaves you believing in a rewards and punishments system in a heaven and a hell?

I don't believe in the system although I was brought up in a strict muslim family. When I was a child there was a feeling in my heart that most of the stuff that I was told wasn't the truth.

Thank you for your replies. I quite agree with all opinions. I'm sure sooner or later all people will change their attitudes to the heaven/hell concept.

Originally Posted by Yassi

Thank you for your replies. I quite agree with all opinions. I'm sure sooner or later all people will change their attitudes to the heaven/hell concept.

I wish I could share your confidence. I suspect this world and its inhabitants have a long way to go before the 'old teachings' are likely just to begin to fade away.

sooner-or-later? I fear it's likely to be much later ....

Mainstream religions of all denominations are so firmly embedded in our cultures that trying to show where they're inaccurate (not necessarily deliberately untruthful) is likely to be met with such obstinacy and inertia that significant change is highly unlikely.

Perhaps, just perhaps, if there were an outpouring of energy into the venture from discarnate allies in the etheric, perhaps then some changes might be possible. Looking back at the history of the world, however, there is little cause for such optimism.

Maybe, though, it was always envisaged by the designers of the physical system in which we live that the world, and the beliefs of its inhabitants, would be just this way? Plainly when we're away from this dimension we know the truth of the situation. If we knew it while we're in-the-body, how (one might ask) would we learn about living 'in the dark' about such matters?

One might also ask whether the physical dimension would then have its special purpose, assuming one accepts that it has a special purpose in the first place....

Originally Posted by Yassi

... When I was a child there was a feeling in my heart that most of the stuff that I was told wasn't the truth.

Good for you for listening to your own gut feeling about this.

[knightofalbion]

Originally Posted by Yassi

From what I've read so far on the forum I've come to conclusion that the vast majority of the people believe in reincarnation.
I'm just wondering what happened in your life that you stopped believing in rewards and punishments system in heaven and hell?

Karma and reincarnation are interlinked. Our actions have consequences, for good or ill. The present makes the future.

A man cannot sow thistles and harvest roses - and nor can he sow roses and harvest thistles! The consequences of his actions will find him sooner or later. That is Divine Justice, which is perfect justice.

To be cast into a 'hell' for all eternity for some misdeed, no matter what it might have been, or simply because you did not follow a particular religion!
That is not the work of a loving God.
There are lower realms in the spirit world, for everything must find its mark, but there is no 'eternal damnation'. That was the creation of a corrupt priesthood in order to terrify the masses, and anyone who opposed them, into submission.

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

Karma and reincarnation are interlinked. Our actions have consequences, for good or ill. The present makes the future.

A man cannot sow thistles and harvest roses - and nor can he sow roses and harvest thistles! The consequences of his actions will find him sooner or later. That is Divine Justice, which is perfect justice.

To be cast into a 'hell' for all eternity for some misdeed, no matter what it might have been, or simply because you did not follow a particular religion!
That is not the work of a loving God.
There are lower realms in the spirit world, for everything must find its mark, but there is no 'eternal damnation'. That was the creation of a corrupt priesthood in order to terrify the masses, and anyone who opposed them, into submission.

Oh yes. Great post KoA.

G

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Yassi

From what I've read so far on the forum I've come to conclusion that the vast majority of the people believe in reincarnation.
I'm just wondering what happened in your life that you stopped believing in rewards and punishments system in heaven and hell?

For me, once I experienced (many times) the Supernatural Divine Love
of my Father (Creator, Source Energy, Divine Mother - whatever people feel comfortable calling"It"..)
I knew there is no room in "Him" for that....hell.
A Being that is only Pure Love has no room for punishment.

Now the way the world is set up what goes up does come down - the Law of Cause and Effect, Karma, Sowing and Reaping....an impersonal check and balances.

Does the Supreme One punish? No.
Do we create our own Heaven or hellish place?
Yes.

Being raised a First Southern Baptist, I did actually believe in a Heaven and Hell. But it wasn't until after I became acquainted with Krishnamurti's ideas of unconditional love, that I began to see things differently. Yes, I do understand the concept of "tough love" that sometimes parents need to implement in order to get their child to be more responsible. But to eternally damn your child to a life of punishment does not reflect well on the parent. Where is the love in forever turning your back on your own child?

I used to get into all kinds of circular arguments with God over this very notion. And it always felt like we would just wind up agreeing to disagree. But I think in actuality, I was just arguing with myself. It just didn't make any sense to put conditions on something that was supposed to be unconditional.

Then one day, a new thought occurred to me. Perhaps in all those times when I was arguing with God about how he can't put conditions on unconditional love, he was actually helping to give strength to my belief in unconditional love, instead of trying to tear me down with it. And once I began to look at the problem in that light, I heard a voice say, "You're right. I can't put conditions on love. That's why I don't."

Now, the problem is, as much as God doesn't restrict us with conditions, people still believe that he does. And from time to time, I still have my concerns that I may be wrong. But, I have decided, that even if I am wrong and I wind up being tossed in Hell for some reason or another, I believe enough in unconditional love, that I can forgive God even if he allows that to happen. I simply love him that much

And to be honest, I actually do spend a lot of time in the lower vibrational levels. But I do it of my own free will, as my mission and my passion is to free those down there from their self inflicted personal Hell. For I love all of them, every bit as much as I love God. Even the not so nice ones But that's another story all together