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Originally Posted by Gem

but I don't know what samatha is.

I've tried to tell you a few times already. Do you want me to try again?

I can provide an overview how the Noble 8 fold path can be broken down in Sila, Samantha and Vipassana.
Sila extends way beyond Vipassana in my understanding.

With Love
Eelco

[Rain95]

Originally Posted by Eelco

Gautama would turn in his grave

Nah he would not react. It's a beautiful and natural thing the dance between people that takes place. It paints a canvas to see and learn. If you put your hand in boiling water, you get burned. Likewise, if you jump into the energy of thought and thinking, of identification with thought, you get burned.

Thought is a lot of things. It is defensive, it is aggressive, it asserts truths, it will not accept being "wrong" within itself. It infers meanings in subjective and objective ways. But thought can also be kind, non-judgemental, compassionate, understanding. It is up to us. Really we cause it all by what thoughts we project, pay attention to, make real and "fixed" as physical reality by saying or typing out.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Rain95

Nah he would not react. It's a beautiful and natural thing the dance between people that takes place. It paints a canvas to see and learn. If you put your hand in boiling water, you get burned. Likewise, if you jump into the energy of thought and thinking, of identification with thought, you get burned.

Thought is a lot of things. It is defensive, it is aggressive, it asserts truths, it will not accept being "wrong" within itself. It infers meanings in subjective and objective ways. But thought can also be kind, non-judgemental, compassionate, understanding. It is up to us. Really we cause it all by what thoughts we project, pay attention to, make real and "fixed" as physical reality by saying or typing out.

Yes he would react and as Eelco mentioned in his opening post Buddha did forsee that his teachings would be altered.
Monks, these two slander the Tathagata. Which two? One who explains what was not said or spoken by the Tathagata as said or spoken by the Tathagata. And one who explains what was said or spoken by the Tathagata as not said or spoken by the Tathagata. These are the two who slander the Tathagata.
—AN 2.23

[Samana]

Originally Posted by Eelco

I can provide an overview how the Noble 8 fold path can be broken down in Sila, Samantha and Vipassana.

Its not "Samantha" its "Samatha" and "Samatha and Vipassana" are the names for tranquility and insight meditation.

"sila" means "morality or virtue" .....for the benefit of readers who aren't familiar with Pali terminology.


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Originally Posted by Samana

Its not "Samantha" its "Samatha"

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My auto-correct is terrible. You are right. It is Samatha.

As for their definitions. The one word usual translations don't do justice to their depth or explain their relation to the eight fold path.

With Love
Eelco(at work now so can't make elaborations)

[Rain95]

Originally Posted by Eelco

Gautama would turn in his grave to if he saw what his teachings gave rise to in spiritual lala land 2500 years later.

From Wikipedia: turn in one's grave.

This hyperbolic figure of speech is used to describe the upset, disgust, horror or anger of a deceased person if he or she were alive to hear of a certain news story, action or idea.

Buddha would not get upset or angry by encountering some humans bickering on a forum. He might put a few people on ignore though.

[Rain95]

Originally Posted by sky123

Yes he would react ...

React to what and how? Not sure what you are talking about.

The closest sutta that would describe the Buddha's actions when monks were bickering is this one.
.http://www.yellowrobe.com/component/...rfections.html


https://sujato.wordpress.com/2009/11...el-at-kosambi/


Turning in his grave may have been a tad strong. And his leaving does indicate that he didn't want no part of that.

[Samana]

Originally Posted by Eelco

As for their definitions. The one word usual translations don't do justice to their depth or explain their relation to the eight fold path.

That's a matter of opinion, one doesn't always need a lengthy explanation to grasp the meaning of a word and place it in context. There's also a great deal more than just the teachings about the Eightfold Path in the Pali Canon.

I don't look in here very often but in general I sometimes get the feeling there's constant struggle and confusion here between posters who think they can teach others about Buddhism, wanting to be "top dog" - and it doesn't necessarily make friendly, interesting, or rational dialogue.

Anyway, it is as it is. May everyone be well and happy.

<<waves goodbye>>

Take care.

S. _/|\_

[sky]

Originally Posted by Eelco

The closest sutta that would describe the Buddha's actions when monks were bickering is this one.
.http://www.yellowrobe.com/component/...rfections.html

https://sujato.wordpress.com/2009/11...el-at-kosambi/
Turning in his grave may have been a tad strong. And his leaving does indicate that he didn't want no part of that.

I thought it was Buddha's teachings you were referring to, not the bickering