To who/m or what does ...

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by lemex

This is me that has. Relationships should just be about love.... I'm just not the kind of person that just follows orders like that.

How have you ascertained that?

How have you ascertained what love is?

Do you see love as light and fluffy and cuddly?


x daz x

Originally Posted by 7luminaries

Here, the flower may be budded for several lifetimes, due to conscious choices taken to pursue further awakening, which is pending...or to pursue (by conscious choice) further misalignment or other stagnation.

It's with thought patterns like these where this thread starts breaking down, and for all the 20-plus pages of posts is Daz any closer to an answer? Really?

For me, the understanding the whom or what isn't going to come from looking through the lens of Spirituality and ignoring all the rest, because that's a long way from the 'bigger picture' and until we understand ourselves as a more holistic system we're not going to have much of a hope of answering this thread.

Roger Penrose, a Nobel Prize-winning scientist said that it's easier to describe a black hole than it is to understand how a human comes to a decision. A Spanish psychologist concluded that decisions that are apparently made by the mind are not actually made by the mind, the mind takes more of a 'committee chairman' role in the process and takes credit for the 'thinking power' used by the rest of the aspects that come into play. One of the most fundamental aspects of the decision-making process is survival and that's been hardwired into us since we've been afraid of lions and tigers and bears, oh my. And before you say it, if you do all this 'light good, dark bad' stuff then you still have your survival instincts at play. On the 'software' side we have cognitive dissonance - which will most likely happen here; lock onto Spirituality and lock out everything else that the crazy Greeny is talking about. Hate to say it peeps but that 'everything else' hallucinates your conscious reality.

Consciousness is epiphenomenal, that means it doesn't take an active part in it's own development but is emergent from all the other aspects and systems that are at play as we trot quite happily through the forums. Consciousness is not emergent of matter but matter and therefore the rest of reality is emergent of consciousness. Hate to say this folks but Spirituality has it backwards.

You can't have a conscious thought or choice, it's scientifically impossible. You can have a thought or make a choice, then a fraction of a second you're conscious of it. If you don't like it then you can 'recycle' it or override it but that choice is also subconscious. The majority of your Spirituality is built by the subconscious.

If you really want to have some awesomeness, the brain has quantum-capable microtubules that have quantum entanglement with the field of potentiality that is Spirit. Way cool. Scientifically you are already quantum-entangled with God and just as likely quantum-entangled in some small way to each other. If you resonate with what someone's saying then it's likely that the entanglement is doing its thing.

Can we seriously come up with the answers to Life, the Universe, Everything (and to who/m or what does.....) while completely ignoring so many major aspects of what makes us tick in the first place?

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

It's with thought patterns like these where this thread starts breaking down, and for all the 20-plus pages of posts is Daz any closer to an answer? Really?

Hi G.S

I think there maybe a false impression had with some so just to be clear, I am not looking for any specific answer/s, David suggested that I pray for answer/s lol, there really is no need .

What has been ongoing is to entertain a variety of ideas that pertain to one’s immediate awareness / knowings relating to their experience .

It is a method of questioning themselves in regards to what they believe is happening and as to why it is, call it a form of self enquiry .

Peeps can take things at face value if they like and all is good and peeps can judge the so called bad people and throw rotten fruit at them all day and wave their finger until it drops off ..

There are answers to one’s ignorance, it just depends on if they have access to them or not .

The world / universe is only a mystery if one hasn’t an idea of what is going on ..

It’s no mystery that there is ignorance to that fact, it is how it is for all, it just depends on if one is content of not knowing that there could be more to what’s going on than initially thought ..

I see in life that lots of peeps have solid opinions but when questioned they go a little quiet and things are not as solid as first thought ..


x daz x

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Starman

What you are using to understand this, your mind, is inadequate for helping you to truly understand this.
Go to the source of your being and you will experience the answer to this in ways that it could never be explained.
Our heart; the core of our being, has a different process of understanding than our head, or mind.
I had to make this transition before I could truly understand.

As you indicated, one must "go to the Source of your being and you will experience the answer to this in ways that it could never be explained".

One must make the transition beyond the self-limiting mind/head/intellect in order to "truly understand".

Well put.

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by Starman

Our heart; the core of our being, has a different process of understanding than our head, or mind.

That's because the 'sensibility' of (our) 'heart' is feeling (actual e-motion) based because it is 'grounded' in real-Life - not airy-fairy, mentally flight-of-thought ballooned!

Of course, a "heart's" logic can become 'warped' (most 'hearts' are!) if and as it becomes disconnected or dissociated from (its) 'Source', which is what I imagine you mean by 'the core' of (our) Being, as a result of physical (i.e. selfish or ego conditioning.

That's why so many 'hearts' end up being 'nutty' 'mental cases'! (lol)

Conundrum is: how can one get 'back' to and remain 'in contact' with (pure) Source or Core ...?

'Prayer' (i.e. wishing/desiring, while believing that it is possible, to be so) will 'lead' one in that 'direction'.

But said prayer has to be 'true' (i.e. sincere) for that to happen. Unfortunately, until they experience abject ego-defeat at least, most peeps 'prayers' remain ego-based, i.e. miss-guided, as a result of their ego-conditioning.

Selfishness is self-reinforcing!

[lemex]

Originally Posted by God-Like

How have you ascertained that?

How have you ascertained what love is?

Do you see love as light and fluffy and cuddly?


x daz x

How did I ascertained this. I must say "in" the present. If I had made such an agreement, the how I feel now is different. Secondly, I put myself in the position mentioned in the example. The mind played out the scenario. A decision different from the agreement has taken place then, maybe. The facts are different now. The perception is different now. The situation is different maybe. I observe in a totally different way.

The perception is different now. In this one I agree with the ego now. The relationship, is troubling if it is blind. One doesn't even know why they do it. Here's another reason in the now, I would not wish to get involved in such a bond and relationship. Again, say no.

I know it's difficult to imagine if we are a separate free independent soul and what goes along with that. I'm breaking the contract btw....lol. Even the 1st commandment seems to brake the rule. Actually I would like to commune with spirits and ask many questions about their experience and feelings. What do they feel and see. I make no assumptions it's ok. Do they feel it's ok. Again is the soul ready? The experience must be complete and I would say murder and the feeling of both it is, isn't complete. I would advocate for them if they did not like and saw no real value in it. If it is selfish and self serving here does the same apply spiritually. All negative is that way.

The question of love. In my previous post I was going to write we are here and everyone (imo) should protect one another, but I know many disagree with that and don't want to get involved. What if violence is a matter of learning, more specifically not. This is the big picture I see. I tend to wonder if what is seen represents a failure to see. This attitude of accepting violence and misery (negative) in the world as an agreement imo is not ok? Here this attitude another must know through equally experience what it means and feels like so we can judge for ourselves probably shows non understanding. In love it isn't required or necessary to fail. This is one of the strong points missed. I know I'm strong willed.

Do I see love as light, fluffy, and cuddly. No, I could love far better. But I love the best I can as we all do. It is a pretty standard love. But my experience has shown (me) what love ought to be. I generally say we think we love well enough. We love the best we can. I wonder has anyone ever asked if they do or just take it for granted.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by lemex

How did I ascertained this. I must say "in" the present. If I had made such an agreement, the how I feel now is different. Secondly, I put myself in the position mentioned in the example. The mind played out the scenario. A decision different from the agreement has taken place then, maybe. The facts are different now. The perception is different now. The situation is different maybe. I observe in a totally different way.

The perception is different now. In this one I agree with the ego now. The relationship, is troubling if it is blind. One doesn't even know why they do it. Here's another reason in the now, I would not wish to get involved in such a bond and relationship. Again, say no.

I know it's difficult to imagine if we are a separate free independent soul and what goes along with that. I'm breaking the contract btw....lol. Even the 1st commandment seems to brake the rule. Actually I would like to commune with spirits and ask many questions about their experience and feelings. What do they feel and see. I make no assumptions it's ok. Do they feel it's ok. Again is the soul ready? The experience must be complete and I would say murder and the feeling of both it is, isn't complete. I would advocate for them if they did not like and saw no real value in it. If it is selfish and self serving here does the same apply spiritually. All negative is that way.

The question of love. In my previous post I was going to write we are here and everyone (imo) should protect one another, but I know many disagree with that and don't want to get involved. What if violence is a matter of learning, more specifically not. This is the big picture I see. I tend to wonder if what is seen represents a failure to see. This attitude of accepting violence and misery (negative) in the world as an agreement imo is not ok? Here this attitude another must know through equally experience what it means and feels like so we can judge for ourselves probably shows non understanding. In love it isn't required or necessary to fail. This is one of the strong points missed. I know I'm strong willed.

Do I see love as light, fluffy, and cuddly. No, I could love far better. But I love the best I can as we all do. It is a pretty standard love. But my experience has shown (me) what love ought to be. I generally say we think we love well enough. We love the best we can. I wonder has anyone ever asked if they do or just take it for granted.

Hey :)


I said on another thread about socialism being ideal in an ideal world ..

In an ideal world protecting people as you say is your opinion of what should be happening ..

This world is not ideal and we can ask the question of why it isn’t .

Why are there challenges, why is there despair and sufferings ..

Even the god-like energies that frequent the earth suffer by the hand of others ..

We can’t blame karma for all the poop that hits the fan so we need to understand to some extent why we put ourselves through it .

I spoke about the energies behind the scenes from the world of spirit not containing malice, jealousy, revenge and such likes and yet the poop continues to hit the fan … do you know why it does?


x daz x

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

As you indicated, one must "go to the Source of your being and you will experience the answer to this in ways that it could never be explained".

One must make the transition beyond the self-limiting mind/head/intellect in order to "truly understand".

Well put.

Yes we need to trace back one's steps to the origin of thought pertaining to why we experience what we do .

We have to go back to the moment .

If we associate going back to source as going back to love then everything that transpires from that moment is done so because of love ..

That's why all the poop that hits the fan has love as it's origin ..

There is only that ,



x daz x

[davidsun]

Originally Posted by lemex

How did I ascertained this. I must say "in" the present. If I had made such an agreement, the how I feel now is different. Secondly, I put myself in the position mentioned in the example. The mind played out the scenario. A decision different from the agreement has taken place then, maybe. The facts are different now. The perception is different now. The situation is different maybe. I observe in a totally different way.

Spirit is power-full. FREEdom of SPIRIT to CHOOSE as IT 'sees' best, aye what?

Originally Posted by God-Like

Hi G.S

I think there maybe a false impression had with some so just to be clear, I am not looking for any specific answer/s, David suggested that I pray for answer/s lol, there really is no need .

What has been ongoing is to entertain a variety of ideas that pertain to one’s immediate awareness / knowings relating to their experience .

It is a method of questioning themselves in regards to what they believe is happening and as to why it is, call it a form of self enquiry .

Peeps can take things at face value if they like and all is good and peeps can judge the so called bad people and throw rotten fruit at them all day and wave their finger until it drops off ..

There are answers to one’s ignorance, it just depends on if they have access to them or not .

The world / universe is only a mystery if one hasn’t an idea of what is going on ..

It’s no mystery that there is ignorance to that fact, it is how it is for all, it just depends on if one is content of not knowing that there could be more to what’s going on than initially thought ..

I see in life that lots of peeps have solid opinions but when questioned they go a little quiet and things are not as solid as first thought ..


x daz x

Hi G-L


Sometimes those times are the most informative, when we Spiritually poke around in the undergrowth with a stick. If nothing else it frees the mind a little and leaves it open for something else to come through.


I find the mystery more inspirational than knowing the answers because it means there is room for discovery and growth, those evaporate when you have all the answers. I can ignore any knowledge of weather systems just to go play in the puddles.



Is it not enough to simply exist?