Life after Death, interesting reading....

Somewhat incautiously (unusual for me) I suggested that the opening contribution might be useful as a guide. Since then, however, I have read the piece thoroughly and in parts some reworking is needed.

When I can settle to the task I'll offer a revised version that folks can have a go at and help to improve.

I hope there will be a few prepared to undertake that task for me?

[Spiritmessenger]

Mac
Why meddle with Tricia's opening post, it's perfectly all right as it is.

Originally Posted by Spiritmessenger

Mac
Why meddle with Tricia's opening post, it's perfectly all right as it is.

No it isn't....You'll see when I've offered an amended version.

• Some people get stuck “between the two worlds.” Because they still feel themselves solid, they do not accept that they have actually died. Some are afraid of going to the light. Many get into mental confusion and could get lost for decades and even for thousands of years.

• You also will have the opportunity to go to the Halls of Learning, and continue to do spiritual work – helping those crossing over or helping others less informed. You may like to do rescue work – informing those lost in the darker realms and who qualify to be in the sphere of the light to come up towards the light. You can be creative in how you spend your time.

• Those who were consistently evil are, on their transition, either left alone or are met by those others of the same very low vibrations and with the same very low spirituality. They are naturally attracted to the darker lower spheres.

Hello mac, I have come across this hinterland in literary sources, The " In Ovo " is the expression that seems to stick in my mind from Clive Barkers Imajica. It is a void between departure point and destination and is fairly populated by all accounts.

I was however quiet unaware that any rescue attempts were made from this space.

I do feel that I might have a great many victims to apologise to in so far as I have not always been nice, I have not been physically abusive, but a few tears have been shed as a result of my words. This harks back to my previous post in that many of us square with what we have done as we go through life. I speak exclusively of the irresponsibility of youth. As a teenage boy I was a malcontent and a rebel without a use let alone cause.

I thought I had squared that away as I matured and became more considered in my actions. We all harbour such regrets about the things we wish had not done or things that perhaps we could have done differently.

If there is no redemption in this life and upon parting from it we get force fed our errors again, It loses it's appeal somewhat.

I look forward very much to seeing your revised product, If you do need any feedback or thoughts regarding some of the more grey areas, please PM me and we can discuss or share. The idea being to get everyone over safely and without any anxiety or apprehension.

The life review, may well involve a look at the things that we did badly, The voices did not make me do it, but adolescence and crazy teenage hormones were indeed responsible for some of my earlier excesses and incorporate things that I would never dream of doing now.

It's not a confessional (even though it sounds like one) Because I am not the only one here and anyone who has no regrets in this life has probably decided to ignore certain aspects of their lives.

Keep up the good work ,
Neville

I've used the structure of the excellent original. Comments and improvements are invited....


• All humankind survives physical death, irrespective of belief.

• At the point of death we take with us our mind and character along with all our experiences. We then live in our etheric (spirit) body, a near duplicate of our physical one. It is usually connected to the earth body by a ‘silver cord’ like the umbilical cord of a baby during life but becomes free on corporeal death. When the silver cord is severed there is no possibility of returning to the now dead physical body. The etheric body and our surroundings will feel just as solid as they are to us now.

• There is no Heaven ‘up in the sky’ and no hell ‘down below’; the location of the afterlife and that of the earth plane are coincident. Just as there are different radio or TV frequencies within the same room, different worlds or “spheres” or “planes” inter-penetrate and exist without interfering with one another – from the highest ‘vibrations’ (frequencies) to the lowest.

• There are many levels, spheres or planes of existence in the afterlife. On physical death we go to the level which can accommodate the vibration we have developed throughout our existence(s). Humankind frequently assigns a notional number to these levels and most ordinary people are said to go to the third one, often termed The Summerland. Those more spiritually evolved, of ‘higher’ vibration, will naturally progress to levels where their personal vibration most closely matches that of a particular level. In reality there are no sharply demarcated boundaries between levels. Just a gradual fading out of one and in of the next. We are told that the higher ones are too beautiful even to imagine. Those whose spiritual evolvement has not progressed far may be found in the lower levels, the least evolved - often termed wicked - will be found in regions said to be very dark and drear. They will have much work to do to further their spiritual progression.

• The notions of eternity in Hell and eternal damnation were invented quite literally by men, often to control the uneducated and unaware by fear but it does not exist in the way taught by mainstream religions. Whilst there ARE lower spheres in the afterlife that are particularly dark, unpleasant and maybe horrific – ‘hell’ - individuals do not spend eternity there. There is always help available for any soul prepared to learn the lessons of kindness and unselfishness.

• Once freed from the body, and adjusted to one’s new surroundings, it is said a great sense of freedom is to be expected. Some communicators have likened it to how it might feel when removing a heavy diver’s suit.

• The state of mind at the point of death is highly variable. Some souls pass over conscious of what will follow and are aware of friends and loved ones who come to welcome their arrival; others are unaware and are accompanied to a place of rest and recuperation until they have had time to adjust.

• In the regions nearest to our world, often termed the Astral, mind creates reality. Those who are strongly conditioned to expect nothing after death may well stay in a deep sleep for some considerable time.

• Those who have been ill for some time may need to be helped to shake off their mental image of themselves allowing their healthy etheric body gradually to replace it. Hospital-like places exist for this purpose.

• Ordinary people are likely to be met by family members or friends. Teachers say that in the afterlife our appearance changes to the time when we were at our best in life, often that of a young mature adult.

• Atheists, agnostics and others are not prevented from eventually living in the higher spheres but such attitudes apply mostly to physical or lower etheric planes. If those views are held strongly it may slow the individuals’ spiritual progress.

• Religious rituals such as baptism, confession et al, or conversely not believing in creeds and dogmas do not in themselves impact spiritual progress. Such rituals were created by humankind and have no relevance to spiritual progression. Holding very firms beliefs may, however, prove a barrier to change.

• At some point after crossing over you may choose to carry out a review of your last life. You may consider how your thoughts, words and deeds affected others and yourself. Nobody judges you. You assess your own progress by comparing intentions with outcomes, what you achieved compared with what you set out to do.

• In the afterlife communication is telepathic although normal speech may also appear to be used whilst acclimatising to the new conditions. Communication with those on earth is also telepathic.

• Those passing over may wish to try to communicate their survival to those they loved on earth or to others. This may be far from easy, as shown by the small number of accounts of this happening. Some will choose to attend their own funerals. Physical and mental disabilities will disappear - they are only of the physical overcoat, our bodies.

• The mind has enormous power in the afterlife. It can change the form of matter there and enable travel to apparently distant places at the speed of thought. Picturing oneself somewhere can result in being almost instantly transported there. Movement is not constrained as it is in the physical.

• Some people ‘get stuck’ between the physical and the etheric. They may still feel just as they did before death and not realise, or be unwilling to accept, that they have actually passed over. Confusion or reluctance may last for a considerable time - years, decades or even longer.

• In the afterlife, there is no need to eat or drink or for sleep. There is no night, rain or bad weather. What is found is often the opposite to what is experienced in the physical.

• You will have the opportunity to mix and interact with others of a similar vibration and join with them in co-operative endeavours or you may choose privacy and solitude.

• You may wish to continue living in a house, perhaps a replica of a favourite one, or alternatively you may wish to create something different or even live communally. A loved pet may be waiting for you where a strong enough bond existed in the physical. All such ways will be available.

• You may wish to continue to pursue your favourite interests, there are many books to read, art, music, and concerts will be available, even sporting activities. Or you can do gardening!

• Spiritual progress can continue in the afterlife with eventual progress to higher, even more beautiful spheres. It is taught that repeated return to the physical (reincarnation) is not vital but that it may greatly speed the process of spiritual evolvement. It is neither automatic nor mandatory. It will be chosen by some and not others.

• Halls of Learning are there for all who wish to use them or you may wish to learn to help those crossing over or in other ways. You may even want to learn about and help with rescue work – supporting individuals lost in darker regions but wanting to escape. There is no shortage of work or pastime which may appeal!

• Ultimately, there will come a time - perhaps after many earth lifetimes, perhaps only a few or even one - when you have made sufficient spiritual progress to move on to a new, a higher, vibrational level. This transition to the next sphere happens gradually and naturally. It is sometimes said that this is like another death where the individual leaves behind what was familiar and moves on to a new plane of existence.

• It is possible to visit levels lower than your own but not to live there - you may have friends and relatives still there with whom you wish to keep in contact.

Like attracts like in the afterlife. Unlike on the earth plane, those with lower vibrations cannot mix freely with those in the higher spheres. Although it is not possible to visit the higher spheres you may be made aware, by more advanced souls, of what happens there.

Love is the mechanism whereby we may stay in touch with others in the physical or in levels different from our own. It is the most powerful force known.

Excellent explaination,Mac.
It makes a lot of sense too,not like some that require a lot of thinking and understanding about.

What I would like to know is this.
How do we know in this life what plain we will reach when we eventually pass to spirit?

I have many friends and family who are definately more evolved than I am.
How do we know what 'evolved' actually means?

More spiritually minded or just pure at heart?

Deepsea (J).
xx

Originally Posted by deepsea

Excellent explaination,Mac.
It makes a lot of sense too,not like some that require a lot of thinking and understanding about.

What I would like to know is this.
How do we know in this life what plain we will reach when we eventually pass to spirit?

I have many friends and family who are definately more evolved than I am.
How do we know what 'evolved' actually means?

More spiritually minded or just pure at heart?

Deepsea (J).
xx

I don't have a clue if anyone can actually know what level they will return to after their passing..... They may claim they know and maybe they do? But maybe they don't?

Perhaps after a certain point in our spiritual evolvement we may inwardly know we are unlikely to need to return for any further physical lives? Until we were to reach such a point we wouldn't know that it actually exists...and once we're at that point we'd become one of the individuals who feel sure they are on their last visit here, but who we doubt!

We see in anyone's physical form potentially only a fraction of their spirit self. Based on this it may appear that others are more spiritually evolved than we are but we don't know how evolved any of us are. (however we assess that) Perhaps what we see actually is a true reflection of how evolved anyone is - and perhaps not.

Having said all that it may be that certain exceptional individuals are envoys for the great spirit, individuals of high evolvement who have undertaken missions in our world to begin to bring about changes desirable in moving humankind globally forward.

Talking about the spiritually inclined,folks tend to think of someone who is kind and generous not involved in spirit.
There are two kinds I would say, of spiritually minded people.

There are those who do kind deeds for the public and there are those who are highly involved in spirit work.

Now I wonder which of those two would be of the higher plane,Mac

J. x

Originally Posted by deepsea

Talking about the spiritually inclined,folks tend to think of someone who is kind and generous not involved in spirit.
There are two kinds I would say, of spiritually minded people.

There are those who do kind deeds for the public and there are those who are highly involved in spirit work.

Now I wonder which of those two would be of the higher plane,Mac

J. x

You got me there, J. It's not within my little understanding....

Originally Posted by mac

You got me there, J. It's not within my little understanding....

Nor mine,Mac. Just thought I would ask.


Now where do I place my concentration?

Being kind to old people or studying up the latest spiritual facts?


J.