The importance of remorse

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by inavalan

Seth-Roberts:

"There should never be a word in any language that means repentance. There should only be a word that
means, I bless; for when you bless, you do not need to repent. For when you accept a blessing, there is
nothing to repent. Love of All That Is requires simply that you become open as air, for when you are open
as air then joy of all that is flows through you indiscriminately, and there is nothing to repent. You only
need repentance when you do not know joy. For within joy and within all that is there is only glory,
consciousness and song. There is only blessedness.

"When you berate yourself for your sins, then you do not realize what joy is. Do you berate a flower that
has one crooked stem? So in yourselves, know spontaneity and in spontaneity you will find joy.
Spontaneity has its own discipline. You do not need to enforce discipline upon it."

Repentance & remorse are essentially lessons we learn.

This guy is seemingly saying not to feel bad about your actions. Persuing ones own joy is simply another take on self gratification.

Repentance is very Catholic - I can understand not wishing to hold onto guilt for too long as its unhealthy but expelling it from your vocabulary is arrogant sounding.

This is worded like a self help book aimed at un wedded women who have given up children for adoption in the 1920's.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Raziel

Repentance & remorse are essentially lessons we learn.

This guy is seemingly saying not to feel bad about your actions. Pursuing one's own joy is simply another take on self gratification.

Repentance is very Catholic - I can understand not wishing to hold onto guilt for too long as it's unhealthy but expelling it from your vocabulary is arrogant sounding.

This is worded like a self help book aimed at un wedded women who have given up children for adoption in the 1920's.

You misread the quote, but it's okay. I see where you're coming from, and I have no wish to argue.

[Shivani Devi]

Originally Posted by lemex

Me, I tend to listen to what other's see and then decide and say they are wrong..lol. Don't all do this. Self evaluation is always important I think because there are always 2 views, not just 1. This might be what one is suppose to hear.

Until you realise, of course that other people will have a 'problem' with it/you no matter which way you go and if you listened and took on everybody's criticisms or even 'good advice' one will go insane doing so.

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by inavalan

You misread the quote, but it's okay. I see where you're coming from, and I have no wish to argue.

Neither do I - you can give insight into the quote can you not?

I push back against posters presenting an air of authority - this is not what you are doing so please do not feel that my questioning is negative.

The mention of the crooked stem of a flower would indicate that what a person is sorry about is actually natural to them, would I still be "misreading"?

[lemex]

Originally Posted by Shivani Devi

Until you realise, of course that other people will have a 'problem' with it/you no matter which way you go and if you listened and took on everybody's criticisms or even 'good advice' one will go insane doing so.

Yeah, I use to say and feel this to. Just wanted to mention there are different realizations that are opposite taking into account the process you mention. Mind and nature! I guess I had an opposite realizing and experiencing. I always wonder about these kinds of things realizing my life has been different then other's so the training (lesson) has been different. Even that realization took many year to see. I don't know I just no longer have conflict others do.