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Old 29-06-2011, 05:25 PM
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Simplicity to one is not necessarily simplicity to another. We all see things a little different and we all judge them according to our experiences. I once read that karma is neither good nor bad. it does not reward or punish. It is "simply" a balance to all things in the universe. However, the simplicity of it may not come easy to all. I, for one, do not allow Karma to make my decisions. It is my belief that one cannot generalize an entire concept( like karma) and apply it when so many of us are different, and we all live very separate lives.
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Old 29-06-2011, 05:40 PM
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you can take a Mozart concerto and par it down to simple Chop Stix so that you can play it at your skill level but it won't be a Mozart concerto anymore.
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Old 29-06-2011, 06:40 PM
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Internal Queries.
I'm not sure what your statement is meant to mean.
Are you saying that a complex thing like a Mozart Concerto loses something if it is made simple?

How about turning that around...

Chopsticks loses it's Simple Truth,

when we try to turn it into something Complicated like a Mozert Concerto..

Humans certainly have the ability to make simple things as confusing and jumbled up as their minds tend to be....

The more humans think they know....

the more they add on to the simple realities of Life.....

The less Wisdom they have.

Knowledge and wisdom are 2 totally different things.

Wisdom comes from an observance of simple realities.

Knowledge is an accumulation of factoids
put into patterns so they can fit into our complicated way of misunderstanding everything...

Yes silver moon, we all see things differently, but we stand a lot better chance of getting to the Truth....
rather than just another idea about the truth....
if we learn to look to the simple Truths
rather than the complicated messes the human minds have made from these.

Right, Karma is not good or bad.
That would be like saying electricity is Bad because someone got shocked by it.
Karma is Just Law, just part of the basic workings of this universe.
If we do an action in one life that harms another person..
The Karma comes up not because some judgmental all powerful super hero is ****ed off at us and wants to teach us a lesson.
The Karma comes to us because we knew we did something that we judged as "bad"...
And being human and not enjoying seeing ourselves as "bad guys',
we pushed that judged action into a back corner of our being....
hid it from ourselves so we wouldn't have to feel bad about ourselves..
Well all the energy it took to keep it there hidden just fed it and made it grow....
and for us to Grow on our evolutionary path,
sooner or later we don't have the power of intention to keep it hidden...
and so it appears to us,
through the world around us....
until we finally face it without judgment.

Karma simply is facing our Past Judgments...

You can make it a whole lot more

but then you will only understand it

a whole lot less...


The duality that we have created as a Prison to our souls
was created through our Judgments
"this is good, this is bad"
this put us right in the middle of an Illusion that really does not exist beyond the creation of those judgments...
And at a certain point in human evolution our path becomes one of removing the dualistic Ignorance that created the prison around our souls..
Karma is the word for that Law that say's
you can only live in a delusional duality for so long
and the only means of escape....
is facing those lifetime deep judgments that imprisoned us in the first place.

Karma is like a Mirror that will keep slappin you in the face until you stop trying to ignore the reflections there.
And learn to face them with Love
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Old 30-06-2011, 01:15 AM
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What is karma? Cause and effect. No judgement. Blow on a candle, the flame goes out. Cause and effect! Or, in simpler terms: opportunity.
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Old 30-06-2011, 02:56 AM
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Then what is the Cause?

The Cause is Judgment...
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Old 30-06-2011, 01:46 PM
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Without Judgment....there is no Karma......

Karma only exists in a state of Duality...

The state of Duality

is a creation of Judgment

The wind blows...and a candle is extinguished...

but there is no Karma..

A man farts in the bathtub....

and a bubble rises...

I put a match to the wood in my stove

and a fire is started...

I turn the key in my cars ignition

and the engine starts

"Cause and effect"

but not Karma.

You accidentally slap your kid brother when you are playing a game...

and he cries... but then laughs and you go back to playing...

there is no Karma.

You slap your kid brother

he falls and hits his head and gets a head injury...

you hate yourself, JUDGE yourself to be a bad person....

Judge the incident to be something beside what simply is....

you stuff the pain......

Karma.
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Old 30-06-2011, 06:20 PM
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Karma, in Craft Law, means that your future is the result of actions in your past.
If you want the full blown mythology of it, it is down to Arianrhod, the Weaver Goddess who spins the thread of destiny and weaves it into the web that connects all living things. Your every action vibrates the web and, ultimately, the effects return to you - you are the cause of your own justice S' simple !
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Old 30-06-2011, 07:29 PM
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Karma, in Craft Law, means that your future is the result of actions in your past.
If you want the full blown mythology of it, it is down to Arianrhod, the Weaver Goddess who spins the thread of destiny and weaves it into the web that connects all living things. Your every action vibrates the web and, ultimately, the effects return to you - you are the cause of your own justice S' simple !


But modern man lives as though there is no connection between one another.
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Old 30-06-2011, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff4freedom
Without Judgment....there is no Karma......

Karma only exists in a state of Duality...

The state of Duality

is a creation of Judgment

The wind blows...and a candle is extinguished...

but there is no Karma..

A man farts in the bathtub....

and a bubble rises...

I put a match to the wood in my stove

and a fire is started...

I turn the key in my cars ignition

and the engine starts

"Cause and effect"

but not Karma.

You accidentally slap your kid brother when you are playing a game...

and he cries... but then laughs and you go back to playing...

there is no Karma.

You slap your kid brother

he falls and hits his head and gets a head injury...

you hate yourself, JUDGE yourself to be a bad person....

Judge the incident to be something beside what simply is....

you stuff the pain......

Karma.


I kinda like this {but I coulda lived without the man farting in the tub, lol}
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Old 30-06-2011, 08:45 PM
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To me the only useful notion of Karma I've found are the laws of how the world works, including psychological laws, laws of economics, and laws of integrity.

* Living in negative cash flow is not sustainable.
* Being unkind to people causes them to not want to interact with you or be unkind back
* Violate your conscience and you will lose your power.

Cause and effect, definitely. But this notion of Karma for being punished for something done in a past life is ridiculous. If you haven't learned a life lesson, you will repeat it until you learn it. There is no punishment, just natural consequence of the actions we take.
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