Question on Atlantis and Lemuria and MORE WONDER's

Chrysaetos, please explain away, if you will, the Piri Reis maps? If we were such a simple folk back then, 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, then how did those maps come into being?

[Chrysaetos]

Originally Posted by Summerland

If we were such a simple folk back then, 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, then how did those maps come into being?

The Piri Reis Map is from the Middle Ages.
Some things were more simple in the past but that doesn't make those people simple folk. They were smart in their own ways. Humans are

Originally Posted by Chrysaetos

The Piri Reis Map is from the Middle Ages.
Some things were more simple in the past but that doesn't make those people simple folk. They were smart in their own ways. Humans are

Actually the Piri Reis maps were copied from much older maps in 1513. Whoever originally drew them had the earth's circumference correct within a 50 mile range. It also shows northern Antartic coastline and an island there free of ice which has not been the case since 11,000 to 4,000 years. It was laid out in grids in a circular manner indicating that "they" knew that the world was not flat. Only later in history were we so ignorant as to believe that the world was flat. Plane geometry was used to draw those original maps, which Pir Reis only COPIED. So again, where are these ancient mariners who knew that the world was round and that there was a landmass in the Antartic and were even able to draw it?
Considering that there are archaeological underwater discoveries happening all the time, how are we to know what the ocean has taken back into the depths? Cities, temples and towns that were not even known about or thought to have been mythological are being discovered by advanced underwater technologies. Roads going no where are being found by satellites. The roads simply lead out into the sea.
The floor of the ocean is a constantly changing world; we know less of it than we do of the moons surface. Volcanos grow under the ocean, unseen. Rifts open, continental plates grind and bump into each other, swallowing up whatever lays in their path. Landslides occur under the ocean also.
Did you know that the northeastern coast of the United States and the Loch Ness Rift in Scotland were once joined and part of the same continent? That was only recently discovered. If evidence of that has been overlooked for millions of years, then how can you assume that continents have not been swallowed up by the ocean?

[Chrysaetos]

Originally Posted by Summerland

Actually the Piri Reis maps were copied from much older maps in 1513. Whoever originally drew them had the earth's circumference correct within a 50 mile range. It also shows northern Antartic coastline and an island there free of ice which has not been the case since 11,000 to 4,000 years.

It could be a wild guess, or humans had discovered or saw the place.
Of course we could use this island as hypothesis for an Atlantis, but this is speculative at best. The map makers of that time were also influenced by the myths of their days, they might have accepted it without second thought.

Originally Posted by Summerland

It was laid out in grids in a circular manner indicating that "they" knew that the world was not flat.

Yes, many sailors and various civilisations knew the earth was round.

Originally Posted by Summerland

Considering that there are archaeological underwater discoveries happening all the time, how are we to know what the ocean has taken back into the depths? Cities, temples and towns that were not even known about or thought to have been mythological are being discovered by advanced underwater technologies. Roads going no where are being found by satellites. The roads simply lead out into the sea.

Oceans change slowly, they don't just take whole continents away in one or few incidents. Besides that, the oceans are quite deep, especially at the proposed places where Atlantis is said to have been (Santorini excluded here).

Originally Posted by Summerland

The floor of the ocean is a constantly changing world; we know less of it than we do of the moons surface.

Sounds like that commercial.. ;D

Originally Posted by Summerland

Did you know that the northeastern coast of the United States and the Loch Ness Rift in Scotland were once joined and part of the same continent? That was only recently discovered. If evidence of that has been overlooked for millions of years, then how can you assume that continents have not been swallowed up by the ocean?

Yeah I know they were part of the same continent. Oceans change, continents change, nature changes, species change.. but they do gradually. It's different and not the same as a story about a mythical continent that was gone in little time.

[norseman]

If you wish to name a "continent" that disappeared in a short space of time, look no further than the Drowned Lands of the North Sea plain - an area larger than the present British Isles plus I will throw in the Drowned Lands of the Irish Sea for free !
As far as Atlantis goes, the simplest answers are always the best i.e. the Santorini caldera and the destruction of the Minoan culture.

[Chrysaetos]

Yes that is true, but the North Sea isn't very deep compared to the ocean. I don't know what counts as ''short'', but the North Sea certainly wasn't there in one go.
There are more of such places, Florida was also much bigger in the past, and New Guinea was connected to Australia.

I agree on Santorini, it is very likely. Add to that Socrates' concern with the perfect state.

Chrysaetos, again we will have to agree to differ. Advances are being made all the time to prove that what scientists thought that they knew has to be reworked to fit new parameters. It is a constantly changing world, universe and cosmos out there. New anamolies are being discovered daily. Planetary changes can and do alter the surface in a blink of an eye. We are the observers.Who would be left to tell us what happened 10,000 or a million years ago? An asteroid can wipe out thousands of square miles in an instant. Mega volcanoes, such as the one in Siberea or a Yellowstone eruption can destroy everything on the planet by blocking out the sun and laying down several feet of ash. Ice advancing can and does grind down everything in its path. The mighty Niagra Falls was created by earthquakes; that is how the earth can shift. So you can disbelieve that a civilization can disappear and I can believe that there is more to our surroundings than will ever meet the eye.

Originally Posted by Chrysaetos

What's so mysterious about the pyramids? The crystal skulls have been proven to be a fake. The mystery about Easter Island has been decoded.
Are we that close minded to think ancient humans are too stupid to figure things out by themselves? They had the tools and the brains to do what they did. What do you mean with ''suddenly''? Ancient civilisations had thousands of years to get to the stage they did. When we look back in time we usually only see their civilisations in the final stages.

What if humans from 3000 years from now look back at our time? They would see that we have gained many technological advancement in only a few centuries. Aliens? Superior race? Gods? No. Just smart humans. These are all beliefs that have no basis whatsoever. You don't know which books have been lost so this is guess work. And there is no evidence for the existence of Atlantis in the Atlantic ocean. The only logical explanation is Santorini. Although this island doesn't fully match the description, we also have to remember that it was hearsay that was written down. Channelling is subjective and guess work. It's not evidence.

Hy Chrysaetos,

Okay then, if you consider these things are all fake and imagination show me the proof and evidence of this.

Do you know what documents and books have been lost or destroyed? Discuss your proof and evidence.

Also who built the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid?

What evidence is there of advanced technology and civilizations in Egypt before 10,000 BC and where did the knowledge come from to build the pyramids, and Stonehenge for that matter? And how did they do it?

I lived three miles from Stonehenge for three years and visited it most weekends, and that was before it was commercialised, fenced off and spoilt, it was in 1961-1964. It wasn't known then and it isn't known now how it was erected, and why it was erected. Oh Yes, there have been many thoughts, suggestions, ideas and guesses - but no one knows. No one even knows WHEN the Sphinx was built, and why - and why the lions head was destroyed and the Pharoahs head put in its place.

Have you ever been to Stonehenge or any of these other places? If so what were your thoughts and feelings?

How come so many ancient texts of diverse civilizations have the same myths,parables and allegories?

Just a point, none of my ideas come from the internet. I don't go in for browsing the net - in fact this is the only site that I visit. My information and knowledge comes from academic, spiritual and personal sources. I have recovered some of my memories of past lives pertaining to the planets and Atlantis and ancient civilizations. My sources are also from personal experiences.

Blessings

grazier

Originally Posted by Amilius777

Atlantis was the original Eden. The place where spirits first started populated the Earth for the sake of creating a community and world in the three dimensional plane. Sadly spiritual entities split in half between those who worshiped the One God and those who worshiped their own Self. And thus over 100,000 Atlantis saw ups and downs and struggles and eventually destroyed itself due to these satan/self-worshipers. And the descendants of Atlantis spread to Egypt, Mayan/Native American, India, and northern Europe. Thus the universal connection to God as being The SUN in all these traditions. Because at that time "The Son" dwelt harmoniously in Atlantis on one side of the group those who kept attune with Father and Mother God.

Lemuria was the place where spirits first descended into lower matter and began to incarnate into whatever they pleased. That is why many souls have animal past life memories, certain physical appendage out of whack, webbed feet, tree men over in china, elephant ittis, etc are all the result or effect of souls having misused the incarnation process. This happened on Lemuria. And sadly the Atlantean group I mentioned named the self-worshipers were called by Atlanteans as Sons of Belial (wickedness/worthlessness) and they tormented, tortured, and used the humanimals for sexual pleasure and enslavement. The Sons of Belial type later reincarnated in history as the prophets of Baal who defied Elijah and Elisha, and even Caiaphas and his Pharisees.

This is why in ancient Hinduism there are many references to animal God-men because there were those who were part animal, part mannish and who were reattaining oneness with the Divine and seen as a savior or helper for others trapped in their grotesque bodies to reattain awareness of the divinity within.

Well put, Amillius. I agree with most of what you are saying.

Blessings

grazier

[norseman]

Recent archeological around the North Sea points to seven submersions over the last 100,000 years. The last one being at the end of the last Ice Age. Full submersion occuring around 6000 BC. The hunter-gatherers migrated both east and west. The standing stones in Britain and Northern France are so very similar as to point towards a common people. And dont lose sight of the fact that Stonehenge and the like were being constructed when the Egyptians were still living in mud huts. So ,if you want to identify an advanced culture, look towards Europe rather than the Middle-East.