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01-10-2011, 01:09 PM
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I have to smile when I read your posts deztini, because the fact is if you really think about it, you will see that just believing that you actually exist requires a leap of faith.
Sure, all your senses tell you you're here, and we're here, and the universe - but why believe them?? What if in fact we are all actually in some giant Matrix and everything we experience is nothing but sense impulses impinging on our awareness?
Actually, that's exactly how our brain works... so who lives in faith now - just to get up in the morning - just to greet the day??
We must choose, every moment of every day. We must have the faith to participate and to carry on - and to learn and grow. That is the choice we have, the choice GIVEN US.
THAT is why there is no proof - so we are really free to make that choice - to live in life, or even to live in Spirit.
It is not always an easy commitment. We are given hints, but no clear direction. In the end, we must look within ourselves and ask if it is something we really want.
It is hoped we will say Yes - but we can say NO - for THAT is the only way we can really KNOW our choice matters.
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01-10-2011, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by deztini3
Thanks for reading, i´m trying to express my view on this as best as i can, i may have done it better, but i hope you got the point.
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You did fine. But faith is not needed to believe something that is already true and that all things conform to.
The great divide between spirituality and a scientific point of view is not the difference between fact and faith. It is the difference in what people want to become.
You have explained away the common and everyday things in your life until there was no room for spiritualism. Yet you are consumed with it in everything you do. Perhaps you need to die before you realize you can still see without eyes, hear without ears and think without the brain. But it would be a shame if you had to wait for that to realize that the perfect explanation you have for all these things and much more was in fact a lie.
There is no fight, no conflict or lack of "proof". You just have a very warped view with explanations that you can't break though but that you know are wrong. Wait to die if that is what it will take, but a lie is and always will be a lie. The truth makes allot more sense then everything you already think has a good answer.
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01-10-2011, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HeartFyre
... "Seek - And You Will Find."
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So true! And exactly what I said above.
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01-10-2011, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by deztini3
Theres one thing i´m afraid of in this life, and thats material existence without anything spiritual.
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Hello deztini3
The above sentence stood out to me. Why does it make you afraid that materialism might be all there is?
What's the fear about?
Squatch
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01-10-2011, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by deztini3
Like i said, theres nothing but stories and claims. There will never be any data that can prove the existence of spirituality completely. Its all about faith.
You may choose to believe or not believe, and your belief is based off your faith, and your faith is based off your fear of nothingness after death.
I still have faith, because i admit that i´m scared of nothingness after death.
I will continue to seek evidence throughout my life to justify my faith.
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Ah, I got this far catching up and there I found it - the Mind wants data - another way to say it - maybe 'scientific proof'?
Well, forget about that! No spiritual proof will be found under any microscope.
Now, I can say a thousand things, stories, miracles, healings, answered prayers - manifestations galore that knock my socks off, STEs - Spiritually Tranforming Experiences, Divine Visitations, Divine Insights given and they may mean nothing to you.
I applaud your faith - still hanging in there and all.
I don't cotton to blind faith personally -- I don't get it...how do people believe without experiencing for themselves? I mean good for them and all.
For some reason, I never had a chance to blindly believe what people said or what was in the Bible.
I was just given earthstopping, 'drop to my knees' experiences, my whole life...
Amazingly humbling, awesome Divine Visitations.
For me the Spirit World or the Supernatural is more real than this natural world.
I certainly depend on it and not this silly world to provide anything for me!!!!
To me Spiritual Laws trump Physical Laws.( Example - impossible situations, *poof* gone or healed with knowing (not faith) and asking - knowing whatever you ask has already been given. Or Jesus walking on water..)
There is a formula to this life..one is Be still and know, another is ask and believe and receive.
I'd say take baby steps - now, a friend was in a pickle and talked to God saying,
"I don't talk to you much, God, but could you give me a sign I'm doing the right thing for my family? ---- I've heard that rainbows can be a sign, I dunno..."
After a couple more valleys and curves he drives into a dozen rainbows.
He never forgot that.
I'd say, be still, sincerely talk to this "Thing" - Holy Father, Mother, Jesus, Krishna, Source Energy...and ask a specific thing.
Know that the Universe only wants your good and to give you your desire - as any Parent and child relationship ---and wait...with no doubt....babysteps ---ask for something your mind can accept as "believable".
"Lord, I have been looking for this hard to find book - I would like it please, Thank you."
Never ask again, know that it is in the works...be patient.
Don't ask for your ex to love you again, ok? LOL.
Cute picture, btw if that's you.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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01-10-2011, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HeartFyre
Wow....The UnRedeeming Darkness of Ignorance & Innocence. Faith is "hope", blindness of UnKnowing. Depend on it, and You will eventually Fall into A Pit...like hue-manity is In right Now. ... Through sSelf Development, a Point/Place is reached where "Certain Knowledge Of Absolute Truth" is Achieved that is Beyond Relative-Temporal awareness. ... So, Some here believe 'Spiritual' reality may not eXist because it is not "SOLID" and readily accessible/touched at will, hmm?
This Is A Duality/Polarity: Two. "Every Unity (Yin-Yang) Is Also A Duality (Yin-Yang)."~Eloise Franco. See the "material" concrete & metal & flesh & such things of life? You feel & believe in them without faith, eh? There Is No Solid Matter AnyWhere In All Creation!!! All Is Energy Vibrating Back-&-Forth Between Two Poles! Life Is In The Middle, Called "The In-Between." Three Values-Aspects, the 3 + 1. An Atom, the Irreducible Building Block of The "Matter" Pole, is composed of Proton-Neutron-Electron (3), making up (in any multiples) the Atom (1). They give You Your "Matter" world/Realm. They Are ThemsSelves Composed Of 'Intensified Intent' Called "Force Focus." This is Dual (-/+). Ok, hard to believe, eh? "According to Durac's Equation, the electron IS a wave, the positron (Anti-Matter) also the identical wave, simply 180 degrees out of phase with the electron." The matter-antimatter relationship is the Visible-InVisible InterAction, or Base Energy Dual Flow of "Matter"-Spirit. Action-VOID-ReAction. "InVisible Cause Precedes Visible Effect."
The "Visible" "particle" Effect (ReAction) is "matter" Seen: "They only exhibit 'particle' properties when they interact, in an analog to digital conversion, and are 'assigned' to specific coordinates with specific properties - at all other times they are waves." The InterActioning "particle" property behavior is A Frozen Moment (Crystallized Aspect) of the WaveForm called A Particle Resonance (1stR, of 3 Resonances). ... All Creation Is Illusion (Maya), A Projection-ReFlection of Hidden Intent (via Desire-Intent-Will, 3). There Are 3 Spheres (3 Charge Values to an Atom). You, "visible life," Are In Sphere 1 (3-D), conveniently called "matter" (Apparent). Sphere 2 is 4-D, or Invisible energy (Formative). These Two Spheres Are Matter-AntiMatter, or Duality/Polarity=Creation (EFFECT).
The 3rd Sphere (CAUSE) Is The Intent of Creation, called "The More," or "Increasement." There Are Two Aspects To PreEXistence: "All-Potential" & "All Potency." You, "life," are In Duality/Poplarty, or "All Potential" (-/+) ... This is just a simplified description of Eternity-Infinity (the horzontal & Vertical bars of "the cross" +). Eternity is Emanated from the '-' (Neg.) Aspect of PreEXistence & Evolves Into the '+' (Pos.) Aspect of ITSELF, Infinity....Eternally~Infinitely. There are 13 Stages. In Creation (Duality/Polarity), The Highest State Is 10 (Binary).
This Is "Cosmic Consciouness" ('by any other name': Samadhi, Nirvana, etc.). At age 17 I first experienced Spontaneous CC (lasting 3 days). This is Energetc Unioning, which leaves no question regarding "Spiritual" Actualities, I assure. "Seek - And You Will Find."
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Well, aren't you a nice addition to the Forum!!!
Can u put some spaces in your posts so it makes old eyes easier to read?
Bec I'll be watching you.
Welcome. Miss Hepburn
I'll say your Heart's on Fyre.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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01-10-2011, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by HeartFyre
Wow....The UnRedeeming Darkness of Ignorance & Innocence. Faith is "hope", blindness of UnKnowing. Depend on it, and You will eventually Fall into A Pit...like hue-manity is In right Now. ... Through sSelf Development, a Point/Place is reached where "Certain Knowledge Of Absolute Truth" is Achieved that is Beyond Relative-Temporal awareness. ... So, Some here believe 'Spiritual' reality may not eXist because it is not "SOLID" and readily accessible/touched at will, hmm? This Is A Duality/Polarity: Two. "Every Unity (Yin-Yang) Is Also A Duality (Yin-Yang)."~Eloise Franco. See the "material" concrete & metal & flesh & such things of life? You feel & believe in them without faith, eh? There Is No Solid Matter AnyWhere In All Creation!!! All Is Energy Vibrating Back-&-Forth Between Two Poles! Life Is In The Middle, Called "The In-Between." Three Values-Aspects, the 3 + 1. An Atom, the Irreducible Building Block of The "Matter" Pole, is composed of Proton-Neutron-Electron (3), making up (in any multiples) the Atom (1). They give You Your "Matter" world/Realm. They Are ThemsSelves Composed Of 'Intensified Intent' Called "Force Focus." This is Dual (-/+). Ok, hard to believe, eh? "According to Durac's Equation, the electron IS a wave, the positron (Anti-Matter) also the identical wave, simply 180 degrees out of phase with the electron." The matter-antimatter relationship is the Visible-InVisible InterAction, or Base Energy Dual Flow of "Matter"-Spirit. Action-VOID-ReAction. "InVisible Cause Precedes Visible Effect." The "Visible" "particle" Effect (ReAction) is "matter" Seen: "They only exhibit 'particle' properties when they interact, in an analog to digital conversion, and are 'assigned' to specific coordinates with specific properties - at all other times they are waves." The InterActioning "particle" property behavior is A Frozen Moment (Crystallized Aspect) of the WaveForm called A Particle Resonance (1stR, of 3 Resonances). ... All Creation Is Illusion (Maya), A Projection-ReFlection of Hidden Intent (via Desire-Intent-Will, 3). There Are 3 Spheres (3 Charge Values to an Atom). You, "visible life," Are In Sphere 1 (3-D), conveniently called "matter" (Apparent). Sphere 2 is 4-D, or Invisible energy (Formative). These Two Spheres Are Matter-AntiMatter, or Duality/Polarity=Creation (EFFECT). The 3rd Sphere (CAUSE) Is The Intent of Creation, called "The More," or "Increasement." There Are Two Aspects To PreEXistence: "All-Potential" & "All Potency." You, "life," are In Duality/Poplarty, or "All Potential" (-/+) ... This is just a simplified description of Eternity-Infinity (the horzontal & Vertical bars of "the cross" +). Eternity is Emanated from the '-' (Neg.) Aspect of PreEXistence & Evolves Into the '+' (Pos.) Aspect of ITSELF, Infinity....Eternally~Infinitely. There are 13 Stages. In Creation (Duality/Polarity), The Highest State Is 10 (Binary). This Is "Cosmic Consciouness" ('by any other name': Samadhi, Nirvana, etc.). At age 17 I first experienced Spontaneous CC (lasting 3 days). This is Energetc Unioning, which leaves no question regarding "Spiritual" Actualities, I assure. "Seek - And You Will Find."
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I have no idea what i just read.
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01-10-2011, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Squatchit
Hello deztini3
The above sentence stood out to me. Why does it make you afraid that materialism might be all there is?
What's the fear about?
Squatch
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Why?
Because then there would be no divine purpose in life. And it wouldnt matter if you followed laws of ethics or not.
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01-10-2011, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by deztini3
I have no idea what i just read.
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{that's because he was a spammer I just banned}
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01-10-2011, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by deztini3
Why?
Because then there would be no divine purpose in life. And it wouldnt matter if you followed laws of ethics or not.
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Does it matter to you now?
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