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Old 14-01-2016, 09:51 AM
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You couldn't be more off.
Since we are all descendants of Adam and inherit his fallen status (born in Sin) you can call us Adamic humans. Now Jesus, because he was born due to a miracle, the Holy Spirit acting upon Mary - you can say the Spiritual father of Jesus was God and therefore he was a non-Adamic human, a descendant of God not Adam and thus born without sin.

But his mother Mary is still an Adamic human , so Jesus would still be partially an Adamic human through Mary though he may be non-Adamic human through God , wouldn't he ! Just asking.
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Old 14-01-2016, 11:10 AM
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Transcendence (rising above), enlightenment (obtaining the inner light), extinction of the self (the self being one’s “fake personality” imposed by the material world), apotheosis (transformation into a divine or semi-divine being), gnosis (possessing the transformative insight), producing the philosopher’s stone (a metaphysical possession that "transmutes lead into gold"), gaining entrance to heaven and so-on, these all arguably refer to the same thing or intimately connected things.
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Old 14-01-2016, 11:52 AM
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But his mother Mary is still an Adamic human , so Jesus would still be partially an Adamic human through Mary though he may be non-Adamic human through God , wouldn't he ! Just asking.

Yes Jesus came through his Adamic human mother. However all God had to do was remove the sin element. It's a bit complicated, this webpage does a good job explaining it-

http://www.truebiblecode.com/intro17.html
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Old 14-01-2016, 02:09 PM
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Yes Jesus came through his Adamic human mother. However all God had to do was remove the sin element. It's a bit complicated, this webpage does a good job explaining it-

http://www.truebiblecode.com/intro17.html


Thank you for the link.

It states that Jesus was conceived through ' vivo fertilisation and genetic enhancement.' Sounds intriguing. I knew that there was more to it .

This might explain his enhanced spiritual and intellectual powers which saw him arguing with the orthodox rabbis at a very young age, unsatisfied with the system. He seems to be quite a mettlesome lad .

The three eastern masters who met him when he was born and a mere baby must have indeed seen and felt something in him to have travelled all that distance.

It's sad and tragic to see how Christianity founded by Christ has metamorphosed into churchianity under the romans later on, but the teachings and example of Christ will continue to be a beacon to spiritualists all over the world.
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Old 18-01-2016, 04:11 PM
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There are only 2 Gospels that mention a "virgin conception". The other 25 Books of the NT do not mention nor even make a reference to Jesus' birth status.

This is because the virgin conceptions in Matthew and Luke which are virtually different and the genealogies are completely different were to symbolize something deeper.

Catholicism was originally more mystical and less of a literal interpretation of Scripture. It is going back to that more and more with the current Pope.

The virgin-conception/birth was suppose to mean that the soul of Jesus incarnated through a pure genealogy whose genetic background was more spiritual and finely attuned to the Spirit-realm. It didn't mean Joseph and Mary didn't copulate and have sex. Paul's writings are older than the Gospels and he knew nothing of an actual virgin birth. Mary's immaculate conception meant that she knew herself in God from even the time she was born; completely aware of her own self-worth and beloved by God unlike most of us. She was full of purity of love, which she passed unto her Son. The two of them, Christ and his mother were paired-souls who chose to incarnate for a divinely ordained purpose, consecrated by God the Father.

That is why in ancient religious art, artists were always attuned to Heavenly vibes. They picked up on their relationship and you can see how they are always seen together. Mary did have other children after Jesus as a natural mother, but Mary and her Son were always linked in earth-life and even now in the after-life. They were the yin and yang of one another's Souls
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There are only 2 Gospels that mention a "virgin conception". The other 25 Books of the NT do not mention nor even make a reference to Jesus' birth status.

This is because the virgin conceptions in Matthew and Luke which are virtually different and the genealogies are completely different were to symbolize something deeper.

Catholicism was originally more mystical and less of a literal interpretation of Scripture. It is going back to that more and more with the current Pope.

The virgin-conception/birth was suppose to mean that the soul of Jesus incarnated through a pure genealogy whose genetic background was more spiritual and finely attuned to the Spirit-realm. It didn't mean Joseph and Mary didn't copulate and have sex. Paul's writings are older than the Gospels and he knew nothing of an actual virgin birth. Mary's immaculate conception meant that she knew herself in God from even the time she was born; completely aware of her own self-worth and beloved by God unlike most of us. She was full of purity of love, which she passed unto her Son. The two of them, Christ and his mother were paired-souls who chose to incarnate for a divinely ordained purpose, consecrated by God the Father.

That is why in ancient religious art, artists were always attuned to Heavenly vibes. They picked up on their relationship and you can see how they are always seen together. Mary did have other children after Jesus as a natural mother, but Mary and her Son were always linked in earth-life and even now in the after-life. They were the yin and yang of one another's Souls
This is fascinating, would you be willing/able to share your source?
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Old 19-01-2016, 08:37 AM
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The virgin-conception/birth was suppose to mean that the soul of Jesus incarnated through a pure genealogy whose genetic background was more spiritual and finely attuned to the Spirit-realm. It didn't mean Joseph and Mary didn't copulate and have sex.

Joseph and Mary were married, of course they had sex. However, it was important to have her conceive Jesus before she knew her husband and belonged only to God - this would open a legal window for God to act and initiate life through her with God standing as the Spiritual father. Had she consummated her marriage to Joseph, even in her strong faith she would still belong to another man.
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Old 19-01-2016, 07:38 PM
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Buddha had a spiritual awakening. Jesus went beyond this and underwent a resurrection. If you've gone through the awakening process, you know it is profound but it doesn't last. Buddha got a glimpse into the kingdom of heaven; Jesus inherited the kingdom.

Jesus wouldn't have taught the middle path, or middle way. Still, we can learn from both.
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I would say it's a mix of contemplation, things I've read, things that resonate with me, psychically channeled material etc.

It is mainly my own contemplation or intuition.

All souls have what is a "twin" or "soulmate". It is not necessarily a sexual one. Many times it is a spiritual connection. You and your soulmate have travelled through many lifetimes and supposedly you were made at the same time together. You were meant to be the yin to the yang of one another on your soul-journey.

Jesus Christ and Mother Mary were connected from other lifetimes. She came in to be his mother and he chose her to be his mother before they incarnated. We all choose our parents when creating our contracts with the High Council on the other side.

Someone like Jesus, Buddha, Saint Francis, and such are a rarity. Majority of advanced souls who are very enlightened usually remain in Spirit. The reason is because Spirit and God is so intoxicating, the Bliss and Joy and Love you just don't ever wanna leave that oneness again. Many continue to maintain their earth-personas and guide earthly people; these are the Saints and Masters of many Religions; or they are so old they have no more ties to Earth or never did and are Angels and Archangels.

But very few Higher beings actually choose to come back as a master Teacher or savior. There is an up and down to all of this. If they remain in Spirit like the Saints, Masters, and Angels they will remain in oneness with God and continue to help forever, but they can only go so far as they evolved and many are JUST fine with that.

Jesus on the other hand desired to go further with his Love to an even HIGHER dimension and prepared himself to have an incarnation as one who would embody the Christ Consciousness (Godself/True-Self). Some religions call them avatars or bodhisattvas. I just call him a savior or master Teacher. A lifetime like this is meant to uplift others and save the world. The trials and lessons are more difficult but mainly for the benefit of others and to open the Master to an abundance of Universal Love. (rewatch the Passion of the Christ from Mel Gibson. Not a great film but there are moments when Jesus looks at his Mother and you can see her thinking 'why?! Why go this far for them?!' And it's because during his torture he felt an overwhelming joy and intoxication of compassion and solidarity for even his enemies. His Christ Consciousness was expanding even more. Gibson focused far too much on the sorrow and less on the JOY that Jesus must have felt dying for people who were even lower them in in evolution.)

He went through the drama of his life for other peoples' karma; both good and bad. The nation or Soul-group of Israel awaited for a promised messiah and God delivered. Jesus was right for the job. That was their collective positive karma. A very evolved Nation. But at the same time there was the negative karma of the nation that had him betrayed, scapegoated, and crucified. He went through all of this so that they could and others for later generations remember who we are, remember our divinity.- our true Face before the Father, our true Self. Jesus represented that. "Re-membrance of Me", "Shed my blood for RE-mission of sins, RE-demption of the world", it's about at-one-ment; RE-connecting ourselves with who we really are and with God and one another since all is God and nothing is separate or dualistic.


Sorry that was a lot LOL.
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