The logic of Christ's crucifiction

[Dargor]

He sacrificed himself to himself so he can save us from himself and what he would do to us if we don't apologize for simply being human and refuse to believe in him? Okay then...

Or perhaps any other particular reason?

[JosephineB]

I think it might be best to get one of those devices like in the film Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind, with regards to religion and start a fresh.

[Altair]

He disturbed public order and the authorities decided to crucify him ((if that happened at all)).

That's as simple as we seem able to go, the rest is belief of a religious nature.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

He sacrificed himself to himself so he can save us from himself and what he would do to us if we don't apologize for simply being human and refuse to believe in him? Okay then...

Or perhaps any other particular reason?

If you say so........

But would it not be easier to write what it says in the Bible on the subject and then put a 'not' in front of each verb?

[iamthat]

Or perhaps it is all symbolic.

Each one of us is a Christ, a being of Spirit crucified on the cross of Matter.

Peace

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by Altair

He disturbed public order and the authorities decided to crucify him ((if that happened at all)).

That's as simple as we seem able to go, the rest is belief of a religious nature.

lol, I agree that's probably the most realistic take on the whole thing. What makes it even more likely is the fact that the gospel was written long after Christ was gone, so made me wonder if they exaggerated the whole event as like most myths.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

lol, I agree that's probably the most realistic take on the whole thing. What makes it even more likely is the fact that the gospel was written long after Christ was gone, so made me wonder if they exaggerated the whole event as like most myths.

Yes, the oldest sources were written many decades after Jesus supposedly lived, so it will rest on hearsay. This is why the gospels also mention the same tales in rather different ways. If you are interested to learn more about it I can recommend the works of biblical scholar Bart Ehrman.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Or perhaps it is all symbolic.

Each one of us is a Christ, a being of Spirit crucified on the cross of Matter.

Peace

Jesus talked about the cross even before He was crucified on a cross.. Take up your cross and follow Me... What was His cross? Let's put in in a more "estern" way, the karma of the world, He took it upon yourself, so we have the Way to break the karma chain and go into the glory of absolute perfection.

What is our own cross? Our own karma... bad things happen to good people, bad things happen to all of us, and we keep wondering why, why have done to deserve this or that... Christ paid the "price" but this does not mean that we are perfectly safe, bad things can still happen to us, but now we are free of our own "heaviness".. From my own research, many of the martyrs of Christ were singing and being joyful in their moment of death, they were fully liberated... They had the ticket to Home.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

He sacrificed himself to himself so he can save us from himself and what he would do to us if we don't apologize for simply being human and refuse to believe in him? Okay then...

Or perhaps any other particular reason?

What makes you to see things this way? Every man is responsible for his/her actions, there's always a price to be paid for an action that creates or leads to the suffering of the one who does the action or the suffering of those who are under the influence of that particular action. You can not escape this, the whole known universe is governed by a very simple law, action and reaction.

Christ came and He said, I want to pay this price for all of you but I can not force you into this, you yourself have to come to Me by your own free will..... In fact, the price was already paid, but you still have to come to Him by your own free will.... It's like: I want to help you, but if you do not want my help, I can not force you to offer my help...; you see...

By doing this, Christ gave us a lesson, that we should follow Him and do the very same thing, this, in my opinion, means, having the mind of Christ, to be a Christ-like being.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by ThatMan

What makes you to see things this way? Every man is responsible for his/her actions, there's always a price to be paid for an action that creates or leads to the suffering of the one who does the action or the suffering of those who are under the influence of that particular action. You can not escape this, the whole known universe is governed by a very simple law, action and reaction.

Christ came and He said, I want to pay this price for all of you but I can not force you into this, you yourself have to come to Me by your own free will..... In fact, the price was already paid, but you still have to come to Him by your own free will.... It's like: I want to help you, but if you do not want my help, I can not force you to offer my help...; you see...

By doing this, Christ gave us a lesson, that we should follow Him and do the very same thing, this, in my opinion, means, having the mind of Christ, to be a Christ-like being.

Every action has a consequences, yes, but it seems you conflate it with ethics. Plenty of nasty people get away with deplorable activity. The universe doesn't care about any of that, just like it doesn't care about all the violence in nature. We humans are often projecting our sense of right and wrong upon the universe, even more so when it's to find support for our own ethics.

By the way, the idea that other people are using their 'free will' to ''reject Christ'' sounds a bit patronizing to me.