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Old 17-06-2018, 02:12 PM
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There is only one ride of the white horse--it began at Rev 6 it continues until the ride comes to this earth at Har-mageddon.
Fact--The antichrist is the 7 headed beast with 10 horns of Rev 13--it is NOT a man.

Then explain St. Paul's citing of "The man of lawlessness", and, "son of perdition", in Corinthians and Thessalonians.

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Old 18-06-2018, 12:22 PM
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Then explain St. Paul's citing of "The man of lawlessness", and, "son of perdition", in Corinthians and Thessalonians.?

you should have post the verese of what you are speaking on, not just what books they are in. i would like to know what you're exactly referring to. what we are speaking on is what's said in the book or Revelation. this is concerning the End, the "white Horse" whis ONLY one, in that book, (Rev. 6:2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer). again, it isn't literal, it's symbolizes a righteous war of Jesus and his 144,000 against satan's wicked world, and governments ,the Ending of ALL wickedness. peace
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Old 18-06-2018, 01:19 PM
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There is only one ride of the white horse--it began at Rev 6 it continues until the ride comes to this earth at Har-mageddon.
Fact--The antichrist is the 7 headed beast with 10 horns of Rev 13--it is NOT a man.
The rider in revelation 6 will a bow and one crown. The rider in Revelation 19 will wear many crowns and have a sword coming out of his mouth. The first rider will pretend to be the Messiah and will later be described as a seven headed beast.
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Old 18-06-2018, 02:07 PM
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you should have post the verese of what you are speaking on, not just what books they are in. i would like to know what you're exactly referring to. what we are speaking on is what's said in the book or Revelation. this is concerning the End, the "white Horse" whis ONLY one, in that book, (Rev. 6:2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer). again, it isn't literal, it's symbolizes a righteous war of Jesus and his 144,000 against satan's wicked world, and governments ,the Ending of ALL wickedness. peace

My mistake, Corinthians is not included. But, I see it is 2 Thessalonians 2.
A man of lawlessness, Son of Perdition.

This is the first white horse reference in Revelation.

Which understanding is in context with other verses, such as what the Lord shared about, "Peace".
Aligning also with the understanding of the Tribulation period beginning with a false peace.

Culminating with great devastation, before His return.

My thoughts are that something causes a worldwide resolution for global peace. Which event may include "the Rapture".
Scriptures indicate that this "peace" will last only briefly.
The "mark" will be instituted during this time, apparently, which will give a sense of peace.
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Old 18-06-2018, 03:12 PM
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The rider in revelation 6 will a bow and one crown. The rider in Revelation 19 will wear many crowns and have a sword coming out of his mouth. The first rider will pretend to be the Messiah and will later be described as a seven headed beast.

However theo, are not heads and horns indiicative of nations and kingdoms? So, the beast is different from the "man of lawlessness", or antchrist personage.
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Old 19-06-2018, 03:40 PM
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The rider in revelation 6 will a bow and one crown. The rider in Revelation 19 will wear many crowns and have a sword coming out of his mouth. The first rider will pretend to be the Messiah and will later be described as a seven headed beast.

There are TWO witnesses in Revelation 11. Why 2? Because Christ has TWO Kingdom manifestations, the first is in God's Kingdom, that Daniel 7 ceremony of Revelation 4-5 which led to Revelation 6.

That Kingdom is not to rule Earth directly as will Christ SECOND Kingdom manifestation in the MESSIANIC Kingdom accomplish in the future--- so the crown is real, but of Heaven as given by God, but the BOW is a long range weapon as in Christ not being present in "great power and great glory"--- yet, it was all just a warning so far. This is because Christ as King in God's Kingdom oversees what he was granted to see by God in the "seven seals", which seventh seal is the actuality, the seven trumpets whose SECOND cycle of the future will indeed lead to that arrival in "great glory" "all eyes will see".

THAT Messianic Kingdom CORONATION OF THE FUTURE, (after the NWO completes their own "kingdom" in world government), is the King of kings crowning of Christ with universal diadems and all Earthly crowns and scepters as the "Son of David" Kingdom heir that WILL rule Earth by power and great glory and in a very direct manner.

That is the SWORD, the close range, in the enemy face, type of rulership as opposed to the long range preparatory "bow".

Each of the TWO witnesses will have given a 1260 days preceding Kingdom Proclamation when the future one completes, the first was in 1914-1918, and together they complete "seven times" as 2520 days as each Kingdom manifestation of Christ has a global announcement, but the last one as the world heads through "sword stroke" (Rev13:3) into 8th King World Government ascendant "healing".

As we move through Daniel 8:13-14 which comes on modern Jehovah's witnesses global ministry to cease it temporarily--- a temple judgment event all can verify soon, in the future in that Daniel 8:14 timing, we will see the cleansing for the preparation of the final 1260 days as once again, as in WW1, the world moves into a very distracting global "sword stroke" scenario which runs its deceptive seeming "doomsday" course into instead WORLD GOVERNMENT King North 8th King. And as we step through those final years into the Daniel 12:11 1290 days OPEN SALVATION PERIOD the the Christ arrival for sheep-sweep-global first in priority, it will get Revelation 14:6-7 clear as day what the choice is to be with the Victor's Camp:

Chose God, chose Christ as Kingdom King of kings and not the human/demon NWO United Nations Executive Branch World Government 8th King "Scarlet Wildbeast" and its Rev13:15-18 international law promoted 666.

That post "sword stroke" and post global-corporate-deposition in Revelation 17:8-18 is when they utter their final "world peace" [[and security]; Dan8:25] under complete ruling world government (Rev17:12) as in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3.

Many will be swept into Camp Victory from the global deposition of global-corporate-religion "Babylon the Great" as it is being deposed and why Revelation 14:8 is the concluding sign of the Revelation 14:6-8 live saving Christ Conquest process that is the White Hose final trampling of world government as King of kings in the war of the great day of God the Almighty. (Rev16:13-16)

Jot it down, it all comes true over several final years.
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Old 19-06-2018, 03:53 PM
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My mistake, Corinthians is not included. But, I see it is 2 Thessalonians 2.
A man of lawlessness, Son of Perdition.

This is the first white horse reference in Revelation.

Which understanding is in context with other verses, such as what the Lord shared about, "Peace".
Aligning also with the understanding of the Tribulation period beginning with a false peace.

Culminating with great devastation, before His return.

My thoughts are that something causes a worldwide resolution for global peace. Which event may include "the Rapture".
Scriptures indicate that this "peace" will last only briefly.
The "mark" will be instituted during this time, apparently, which will give a sense of peace.

Morpheus, this is going to be HUGE, world government is what utters the world peace mantra all will clearly hear of post Revelation 13:3 as 1Thessalonians 5:1-3 and Daniel 8:25 "time of security".

As such the "anti-christ" has all dimensions of deceptive world power, governmental, and religious. But since world government outlaws global-corporate-religion under world government to bolster the world peace effect, TODAY fraud corporate-religion-global is who contains the specific fake-christian leadership of that "man of lawlessness" "in the temple of the God". (But their is a fraud analog principle in all corporate controlled global-religion, they will all hail the NWO, that is how you will know the fraud.)

The 2Thessalonians 2 "lawless one" is the religious anti-Christ who will also promote world government and endorse its arrival--- after which that fraud is deposed.

It is also NOT the Revelation 16 "false prophet" whose main frog-prophecy is "an everlasting new world order", THAT is the Satanic Religious "false prophet" element of the Anti-Christ scarlet wildbeast world government which encompasses an enormity beyond just its religious elements there described. That is why "son of destruction" and "false prophet" is just part of the "anti-christ" world government "8th King" development, Anti-Christ is the WHOLE thing, world government under Satan the main anti-christ of the spirit realm, also "seven headed", but the "dragon" component.

It is HUGE/ But the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Christ are both immortal, bigger, faster, smarter, and more powerful. In any case, anti-Christ is but a bug splattered on their immortal windshield.
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Old 19-06-2018, 06:33 PM
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Then explain St. Paul's citing of "The man of lawlessness", and, "son of perdition", in Corinthians and Thessalonians.

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The religion that came out of Rome and caused all the major confusion of 34,000 religions claiming to be christian. Jesus started ONE religion. Jesus is with-ONE religion. The one the world hates.
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Old 19-06-2018, 06:34 PM
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The rider in revelation 6 will a bow and one crown. The rider in Revelation 19 will wear many crowns and have a sword coming out of his mouth. The first rider will pretend to be the Messiah and will later be described as a seven headed beast.


I read the bible many x--it does not teach that anywhere. White= righteous.
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Old 20-06-2018, 12:21 PM
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However theo, are not heads and horns indiicative of nations and kingdoms? So, the beast is different from the "man of lawlessness", or antchrist personage.
Sometimes a head or a horn represents both a kingdom and the ruler of that kingdom. Look at Daniel's interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory, and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the children of man, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the heavens, making you rule over them all—you are the head of gold. Another kingdom inferior to you shall arise after you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things. And like iron that crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
Daniel 2:37-40 ESV

The head of gold represented Nebuchadnezzar personally but the other parts represented kingdoms. But the head also represented the Babylonian empire. The beast of Revelation represents both the person of the antichrist and his kingdom.
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