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Old 16-09-2017, 03:59 PM
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Just spotted this topic as I came back from playing at a wedding this aft.

My genes made me do it? Nope, my jeans made me do it.

Fool, me, to wear jeans. Thank heavens I wore a really long knitted top. I'm not so tall so I have trouble reaching the organ pedal board. I had to take them off. Thankfully no one noticed as the console is behind a panel.

Just my jeanetics...
OMG! I love the imagery that accompanies your post. You just made the art of playing the organ just a little bit hotter! :)
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Old 16-09-2017, 04:56 PM
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I've been aware of the media's pushy tactics since I first picked up the Cosmo magazines - when I was a teen. The supersonic speed of seduction to feel and belief and even act like that is mind-blowing.

I don't appreciate their efforts. Yet, as young one, I poured over those pages. fwiw

I was being a bit dramatic for effect, hahaha....please forgive ;)

But in all seriousness...
I completely agree.

It's loathesome and tiresome to see headlines and bits ad nauseam geared toward very young women and even 30somethings, etc., on how to have better sex and please your man...as after all, this is what's really important and after all, this is what you're valued for, right?

Nothing on how loads of earnestly pimping yourself out for casual sex in a naive and earnest attempt to "please men" will virtually never lead to love. In fact, what mainstream culture and media all say and what they promote is EXACTLY the opposite

Blatant 180 intentional misdirection.

Aside from harming and misdirecting a lot of women, especially the very young women, the cultural overlay of lies and misdirection also harms and misdirects men. It leads many men to a place of confusion and misunderstanding regarding women.

As a result of the cultural overlay designed to misdirect and enslave otherwise free men via sex, porn, and/or other addictions...and to exploit and use women, particularly young and naive women...we are all heavily misinformed and misdirected by our culture in ways and on a scale completely unknown to humanity since the dawn of time on Gaia.

As a result, men don't typically understand that period of innocent sexual availability some women will go through in search of fulfilling their need for children and connection with a mate in order to have children. And they don't understand that this period (prior to having kids & otherwise reaching the Age of Maturity) pretty much ends at that time. Women find their voice, and/or their feet, and they begin to live from the centre more truly. It is the way of our broadly universal soul cycle in these human incarnations.

But likewise as a result, most women also don't understand men at ALL, and thus they are largely ignorant as to the way men view and have been taught to view women. Finding they are not highly regarded or esteemed aside from their sexual availability and perhaps also their appearance comes as an eternal shock to women, particularly once they've got to know a man and yet find he still has little regard for them and has little energy to care for her thoughts and opinions (particularly if they differ from his). EVEN IF they've been shagging in order to please him whilst he "sees how it goes" and so forth, LOL.

Despite my dry British humour, LOL...I do put the lion's share of the blame on mainstream culture, the likes of which has never been around prior to the last half century or so, not for all of humanity's recorded history back 10 or 15K years perhaps at most, pre-flood. I do not put the lion's share of it on genes. That simply won't cut it. Even in dire times, loads of folks refuse to kill or rape or steal what another needs to eat. Even though we all have survival urges or instincts. They NEVER override our hearts and minds and ability to choose UNLESS we allow them to do so. Unless we have decided to live as something lower than animals, who are innocent and lack that ability to choose.

As WStein quoted in another thread, the matrix cannot tell us who we are. WE decide who we are

We've got a lot of work to do, one person at a time, one person to another, one heart to another.
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Old 16-09-2017, 05:03 PM
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Just spotted this topic as I came back from playing at a wedding this aft.

My genes made me do it? Nope, my jeans made me do it.

Fool, me, to wear jeans. Thank heavens I wore a really long knitted top. I'm not so tall so I have trouble reaching the organ pedal board. I had to take them off. Thankfully no one noticed as the console is behind a panel.

Just my jeanetics...

LOL !!!
Well, I bet I know who will be tucking a spare pair of stretch leggings into her bag next time JIC

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Old 16-09-2017, 05:08 PM
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r6 and 7L I really can't take part in your conversation because I'm not as smart as r6 and though I do have memories of past lives, some of them as men, I have only brief showings of them. One life in particular was as a Nordic warrior and we had just returned on a raiding party. My thoughts were deep and very complex in the segment of the memory. But that still does not qualify me take part in your conversation.

It's nice that the two of you can agree on some things and agree to disagree on others without all the hostility I often see on this forum.

Linen thank you for the kind words and I think you have a wonderful and insightful take on loads of things.

I find your past life memory to be very moving and correlates to the sorts of things I experienced too...

There's a lot of depth from these past lives that in some ways is only now coming to the fore and being acknowledged or shared.
We weren't just pieces of meat, LOL !

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Old 16-09-2017, 06:20 PM
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7luminaries---but more purely based on scientific observation, I think in your case.


Some not all, and only like to consider those science-based correlations when they exist.

Hello r6 --
I think this is a reasonable and balanced approach, generally speaking.

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which is that women primarily do want a loving relationship with men, or else as they get older they prefer often not to engage in either sex or relationships that are loveless or meaningless.

I think men also want a loving relationship and sex.

Awww....First, I am heartened that you feel that way, in reflection of your own personal position.

Howver, there are too many pre-requisites required for me to make this particular blanket statement about men, given that men's persistent sexual urge must be channeled and disciplined first, in order to acquire the capacity for authentic love of a woman, full stop. If they are straight. (OR to authentically love a man, if gay.)


I think emotionally and spiritually mature men who are able and willing to love another person authentically WITHOUT any demand for sex, are the only ones who can reliably apprehend what it means to want an authentically loving relationship which includes sex and commitment.

If there is no bonding/love in the relationships, I understand a woman having less interest in sex, and more so in as time{ age } goes by.

S, mi amigo...t entiendes.
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But unless they are already in a long-term relationship, women increasingly often choose not to pursue a relationship at all if there is no one who is willing to first get to know them as people and as friends. How else do you get to know someone authentically and for who they are as a person?

Again, I believe this goes back to some of my previous statements. Men just need a place, women need a place and a reason.

And again, I think this correlates to lab studies that show womens brains being more active in both hemi-spheres , than mens.

Hahaha...matters not if you process in rotation or distributed. Brain function -- potentially and often in fact -- is extremely malleable and this capacity will only continue to increase as we progress in consciousness and in our integrity (living from centre day-to-day).

When men are disciplined and mature, and when they realise they too desire authentic love of one another as souls in ALL their key relationships -- and NOTHING to do with just women or just sex or with any demands or expectations of sex in particular -- then men too of course do not just "need a place" but also need and require "a reason" Don't sell gents too short there, r6!

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...it reflects those men's core lack of understanding of the majority of women who require authentic love in order to find sex appealing, particularly over the long haul.


Diitto my above women also need a reason to have sex and be in relationship.

Yah. What so many of us want is for the dialogue to revolve around authentic love and recognition of our humanity. We're people and not parts. And men's urges can't be forced upon us as priority over recognition of our own needs and rights. Most women don't want to talk about sex ad nauseum. We want to talk to one another and relate to one another as people and as beloved family, friends, neighbours, etc. Full stop.

And if we love one another as people and as friends, then we may mutually agree to partner in authentic love if that resonates. NOT to be expected of every woman a man greets or buy drinks for. NOT to be required in order to spend time in friendship OR for simple acknowledgment of our humanity and our dignity. But to freely choose to either remain beloved friends OR to enter into partnership in authentic love. When the man and the woman truly value and support one another's highest good, no matter what and no conditions, full stop. And THEN to broach sex and only then to bring expectations of sex into the partner relationship, when everyone's individual and unique humanity is known and honoured.


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Remember what I said about how sex without love feels very similar to coercive sex or to rape for many women. It becomes that distasteful. And from that perspective you can perhaps begin to understand a woman's orientation to sex far better.


I understand, and agree, however, if one of the partners desires sex, it is the responsible of the other to help faciliate those desires. imho. This is a part of marriage, if sex is going to be involved in a marriage.

Otherwise the man or woman will go looking elsewhere to fufill their sexual desires.

There is a reasonable give and take over many things in any balanced relationship.

Given the depth of the longstanding, historic imbalances of male-female relationships and also the depth of the longstanding socioeconomic, political, cultural, and certainly physical imbalances, women have historically been at a severe disadvantage but until very recently had no other option. This meant the lion's share of the flexing and compromise (including tolerating a lot of coerced, forced, and/or loveless sex in marriage) was done by women.

Although as you also mention, some men no doubt felt the expectation of fidelty in marriage was a real sacrifice too, hahaha... ah me, we all have our burdens eh? Ok...again, pardon the dry humour.

We all understand the expectation for sex in marriage, and it is meaningful and deep if folks come together in authentic love. BUT...once again, historically no one gave a damn if women were married off and penetrated lovelessly and coercively for aeons. That was the deal, as you say.

Today, women can earn their own meagre bread and if men persist in an emotionally and spiritually cold and brutal "my way or highway" approach devoid of authentic love -- then women increasingly can and do choose the highway. Because a woman's heart, body, and dignity means something, and that doesn't change just because you commit, marry, &/or have sex. The idea that penetration and sexual exclusivity is "the glue" is ludicrous. That's treating women like possessions that a man clubs over the head, drags into the cave, and then
brands with penetration.

But today, if men don't honour us in authentically loving intimacy, women can and often do choose to go elsewhere. It's been happening since before either of us was born, particularly as soon as women got divorce rights and more workforce opportunities, meagre as they often were.


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I probably will not respond in detail to most of your items in the prior post, because they are taking more of a purely scientific approach. My whole thrust on this thread has been that I don't think genes are largely responsible for the majority of who and what we are.

I belive genes are correlated to all of behaviour.

Certainly they correlate in a variety of ways. But to a much greater degree than many realise, much of our genetics, just like the rest of the world around us, are malleable and are heavily influenced by spirit, by mind, and by environment, including culture. Mystics have always realised this and this is the basis for much of the seemingly impossible physical feats some achieve.

What I'm saying is, genes are a factor but for the 99%, they are not the overriding factor for the majority of our experiences and choices. Instead they may be as you say correlating or contributing factors, which themselves have already been highly influenced by culture and environment AND...let's not forget...the degree of our moral fibre and our willingness to grapple with our personal challenges and iniquities.
If we abdicate the good fight, the battle is essentially lost for this go-round.

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Where no one feels touch without love, like rape. Where no one feels exploited or used, and where no one feels ignored or rejected because they are not being touched with love when they are within a committed partnership (let's say).


There exists degrees of love. Marriage is not always a perfect blissful state of union. IF two choose not to love each other, yet stay together and have sexual relationship, is their choice.

That is true. In the past, this was actually the norm. Marriage was a perfect storm of desperation, oppression, and a lack of BC that allowed for legal ownership and rampant exploitation of human beings for sexual utility, in exchange for provision of food and shelter and legal ownership of the young (who were deemed legitimate and could not be shunned or cast off by the man).

But I hope we all can see that there is a FAR better, freer, and more authentically loving way forward than either the past oppression OR the present exploitation and degradation of our mutual humanity.

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All of those issues can be addressed from a middle ground of authentic love, but without that middle ground none of these issues will ever be adequately addressed, IMO.


Marriage is a middle ground of comprise, communication and many marriages touching, feeling, and blissful orgasim with another individual we love to whatever degree and trust.

This is kinda sweet, r6. I think many would agree this could be a general ideal of what marriage should be, EXCEPT women more and more simply aren't down with "to whatever degree" as a long-term thing, hahaha. I realise you may be referring to the fact that many folks have never developed themselves emotionally or spiritually, and even having reached the Age of Maturity as men and women, they are limited in what they can do and be, at this mo. But the reality is although it's a huge problem for society as a whole, at the same time it's also true that increasingly, no one else has to put up with stunted emotional and spiritual development in a sexual partnership situation long-term.

There is a place at centre in which you rest in your own authentic love and from there, you extend to others as you come to know, love, and more deeply resonate with them. Whether as people, as beloved friends, or for a particular partner. You bring all that to another and if they bring the same, then all that other stuff can be sustained over time with engagement and love and respect and honour -- and with the spirit of negotiation and compromise.


IMO...the old style marriage of "deal with it" is nearly dead. And as we are discovering (some faster than others), an awful lot of modern marriages &/or committed partnerships will not last much past kids without authentic love. (As for casual sexual partnerships, they are so shallow, toxic, and unsustainable as to not even merit a sneeze for mature women. Hence I see you are talking committed ones :).

Trust they do not have AIDs or some other disease.
Amen to that, no doubt.
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Old 16-09-2017, 06:34 PM
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Which is why I love science. I enjoy studying with those who are actually taking the time to look as to how things are all stitched together. The soul is in there somewhere, but that's not what's holding our attention in a riveted way. The fire is being fed by unfounded impressions, we can often be lying and have little to no clue that we're doing so.

So true...but if we can just damp down the fires just a bit, it's the soulfire that we set ablaze instead

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Hey 7luminaries - I prefer not to quote your response to my post - just wanted to say as usual, you wrote so well responding to the media thing and I very much appreciated and enjoyed reading.
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Old 16-09-2017, 07:22 PM
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Just spotted this topic as I came back from playing at a wedding this aft.

My genes made me do it? Nope, my jeans made me do it.

Fool, me, to wear jeans. Thank heavens I wore a really long knitted top. I'm not so tall so I have trouble reaching the organ pedal board. I had to take them off. Thankfully no one noticed as the console is behind a panel.

Just my jeanetics...

So funny. Yep, jeans got in the way
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Hey 7luminaries - I prefer not to quote your response to my post - just wanted to say as usual, you wrote so well responding to the media thing and I very much appreciated and enjoyed reading.

Thank you Silver -- I am glad it resonated with you
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Linen thank you for the kind words and I think you have a wonderful and insightful take on loads of things.

I find your past life memory to be very moving and correlates to the sorts of things I experienced too...

There's a lot of depth from these past lives that in some ways is only now coming to the fore and being acknowledged or shared.
We weren't just pieces of meat, LOL !

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All of my memories of past lives are like a loaded snapshot. One quick glance and a download of information. And I always recognize it as me even though the body is different. I believe I recognize my soul part. But throughout I can see a pattern as each life (I remember) comes together. A common theme, throughout all of them, if you will. Can't really put my finger on it.

In 2012 I suffered brain damage and saw two other lives that I am concurrently living. All three of us are so different from one another.
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