Our Multidimensionality

Hi gang. I haven't read a lot of info about these 'wars' so I can't really say one way or the other. Not much would surprise me at this point but I do think things are easily distorted and even more - just misunderstood! Like Kundalini, I'm not drawn to info about ancient wars between star beings for whatever the reasons. That doesn't mean I don't think insane **** like that has happened however. Growth and progress is a slow thing it seems for all of us.

Kundalini,

This book (Alchemy of Nine Dimensions) doesn't give any physical descriptions of these Star/other dimensional beings. However I can give you descriptions of what those 3 Star beings looked like when I knew them in Egypt and also, how they've appeared to me in this life, if interested. Why don't you start a new thread on the UFO forum about what some of these ETs/Star beings/other dimensionals look like?

Also please understand that not all Sirians look the same, just like not all Orions look the same etc. There are levels of development and much much older groups of each Star Family for lack of a better term, and they do look different. Again I'll talk about only what I've personally experienced so my source is genuine!

Here's some random quotes from Clow's book Alchemy of Nine Dimensions.

"The lower dimensions (1D and 2D) are various levels of Earth (3D) - from core to surface; the fourth dimension (4D) is the realm of collective thought that bridges the physical and unseen worlds; and the fifth through ninth dimensions (5D - 9D) are celestial. Most scientists will be unable to imagine the unseen realms except by mathmatics that reach beyond the fourth dimension, such as topology and superstring theory. Culturally, the first four dimensions correspond somewhat to Western spiritually, and the higher ones to Eastern mysticism. Satya's diagrams for accessing all nine dimensions simultaneously are actually a wonderful integration of East and West. And having this nind-dimensional model helps me as a Western teacher access Eastern mysticism....."

".....It was initially outrageous to imagine that dimensions influenced by distant star systems - the Pleiades in the fifth dimension (5D); Sirius in the sixth dimension (6D); Andromeda in the seventh dimension (7D); Orion in the eighth dimension (8D); and the Milky Way in the ninth dimension (9D) - can actually inform us here on Earth. Perhaps this is why our ancestors believed the stars had consciousness and were repositiories of their stories and myths."

".....According to The Pleiadian Agenda, Earth is penetrated by nine dimensions of intelligence that we all can access, learn from, and consciously utilize in our lives. These levels offer humans extremely enhanced intelligence as well as freedom, yet first we must consider our current condition. After thousands of years of separation from the divine, our collective mind - which functions in the fourth dimension (4D) - is caught in a field of polarized, archetypal thoughtforms that are locked in our bodies and minds as emotional trauma blocks. These days, clever media demons manipulate the 4D collective mind to amuse themselves, make money, capture innovent souls, or merely to avoid looking inside themselves. Yet the 4D zone is not their personal territory, since 4D is a bridge out of the physical to the divine. It is not meant to be an insipid frequency zone that crams our heads with stupid images through advertising, pornography, and Internet spam."

"We need to own 4D as the zone where our feelings can access alluring high-frequency visions...." "Our objective as an awakening species is to reconstruct and clear the powerful 4D zone, so as to identify the vibrational frequencies of all nine dimensions..."

Aaaah yeah that damned ol' 4D! Astral, archetypal, thoughtforms from all of time, the collective junkyard of global caca, fears, and everything else. But.....this is what many of us have been transmuting over the past few years. Some of those ultra horrible nightmares makes a bit more sense now when you realize what you were cleaning up and clearing out!

".....As you will see later; the higher dimensions become available once the 4D blocks are cleared. The higher dimensions cannot be accessed without resolving polarity in our bodies...."

Hi Lapis,

Seriously, I did not mean your source was not genuine, I just meant B.H.C's source may or may not be apparently genuine. I know your personal experiences are genuine.

I understand this 4th dimension - basically it is what I would term the Astral Level. Am I correct in thinking this?

Kundalini.

Kundalini,

Yes the 4th dimension (4D) is what we've long called the Astral plane. I'll quote a bit from Clow's book about her take on it and how it effects us so profoundly and why.

I do wonder however, why you'd automatically distrust B. H. Clow and where she gets her information? No matter, because one either resonates with particular information or one doesn't. It's just that some people are and have been accessing information using more of their brains/consciousness/awareness/bits of their higher selves and so on by actually accessing these very dimensions. This is where personal discernment must be used by each of us.....or we're just still blindly following new teachers and leaders etc. and not able to know what's what on our own! This is vastly important IMO for many reasons. Anyway, here's some random quotes from said book about the 4th dimension.


"....As you will see later, the higher dimensions become available once the 4D blocks are cleared. The higher dimensions cannot be accessed without resolving polarity in our bodies. Also, the person must understand many things about these higher worlds in order to enter them and stay awhile; that material is the essence of this book....."

"The fourth dimension (4D) is the realm of the human collective mind, the amalgam of individual thoughts and feelings that meld and weave into the archetypal patterns. This dimension holds the memory of the experiences of all people throughout time. According to the Pleiadians, the Keepers of 4D are the Annunaki, inhabitants of a planet called Nibiru.....

"The Sumerians believed that whenever Nibiru travels into the solar system, its inhabitants could visit Earth. The Sumerian records describe the Annunaki as gods who came to Earth around 3,600 B.C. The activites of the Annunaki are very much like the antics of the Greek gods, since they both intervene in human affairs. Regarding solar system dynamics, if this planet is real, one Nibiru year is 3,600 Earth years, just as one Jupiter year is twelve Earth years. This is because Nibiru's solar orbit is 3,600 years, Jupiter's is twelve years, and Earth's is one year.

"After many years of thought about the cycles in the solar system, I think the reason why the P's say the Annunaki are the Keepers of 4D is because Nibiru has such a long solar cycle. Imagine how easy it would be to remember all the myths and stories over thousands of years if 3,600 years was the equivalent to one Earth year; the Nibiruan time sense woulld be immense. They would know a lot more about Earth's history than most humans do. Onmiscient humans - such as certain saints, gurus, and clairvoyants - can read 4D, which holds the records of all human experiences in the collective mind. Respecting the Pleiadian view, I've come to the conslusion the Annuaki are the central controllers of the Global Elite, and they (the Annunaki) invented their 4D program around 5,600 years ago, whether they came from another planet or not. Their New World Order (NWO) and its plots are the main subject matter of this chapter.....

"....As for the archetypal beings, we humans are the gods and goddesses of 3D. So they seed their hot desires in our minds and incite us to create realities....

"When contacts from subtle worlds arrive in 3D, overpowering emotions run through our bodies. We can respond by simply following our feelings, yet I am suggesting we also use our minds to observe these feelings. This is the path beyond insanity. By their very nature, archetypal forces seek vehicles in 3D for their inspirations, and this process is increasing expenentially during the closing days of the Mayan calendar. If they are thwarted by us, these forces get frustrated, overamped, and violent. Thwarted creativity collects in 4D when it is not circulated between 3D and the higher worlds, and eventually cultures get overloaded by black forces, just like overamped electrical circuits that trip fuses. Astral forces are especially attracted to people who are drugged. The percentage of people who are drugged (legally and illegally) is very high in the United States, making it easy for the Elite to control people. Yet, we humans are the chosen circulators of divine inspiration...."

"Our embodiment comes out of pure energy. When we have learned to allow archetypal forces to flow through us, our bodies easily resolve wide polarity states, and our EM fields, as well as our minds, expand. This is the law of expansion and contraction. We can all differentiate between astral influences and higher-dimensional inspiration, and therefore we are able to see both sides of issues, which enables us to perceive the full range of information. Astral influences are nothing more than the desires of other humans to invade our minds, which cannot happen to people who have figured out the game....."

[chadley]

I find Clow's definitions of the different dimensions interesting based on their similarities and differences to what I have encountered. Some of my findings may be different, but please know that I'm not disputing anything Clow is saying as there are probably explanations beyond my knowing as to what defines and distinguishes the dimensions.

Let me give you my take on the different dimensions as a healer. As I perceive others and myself on many different dimensions while examining the human energy field and can observe each dimension and its qualities individually.

-The fourth dimension undoubtedly is the Astral. We do have form in the astral and the most obvious aspect of it to me is the trasference of energy between one another, betwee people. Where much of energy below it is confined to itself, in this dimension the exchange of energy between people is extremely obvious. This is where emotions and relationships are joined and experienced both the good and the bad. It is not just a junkyard, but like with all planes of duality, has both positive and negative aspects. And, all of the descriptions by Clow make sense to me.

5-9 is where I have found the characterists to be in a slightly different order. I have found that The fifth level of reality or as I see it the fifth auric plane contains all the componants of ether, structure and geometry and contains the characteristics of Clow's 6d and 7d.


The sixth observable dimension, which appears to me to be of higher vibration than all the qualities of the fifth I just described, is the dimension in which the celestial emotions are present ie true bliss, love, joy ect... And the Seventh, as I observe it, is the level of the divine mind.

When you perceive people in these dimension, there is no doubt, you will become aware of other beings that exist within these dimensions. I have no idea what planet they are from or if what they call themselves as it has not, so far, been part of my path or desire to explore all the corners of these realities beyond as it pertains to the person I'm working with. However, there is no doubt they exist.

I am curious as to why I would discover these realities in a different order than Clow, however. My only guess right now is that we are both correct and each just missing dimensions here and there. For example, what I perceive to be the 5th, Clow states is the 6th and 7th. Perhaps I am not able to yet discern that what I know of as 5d is actually composed of 2 different dimensions.

I believe that we may be limited by a linear interpretation of the dimensional layout of existance. I say this, because, though I recognize the above by vibration, I have also experienced layers of reality that are, by my only way of wording it, deeper not higher. I'm sorry that I don't have words to explain these experiences. If I ever do, you guys will be the first to know :)

interestingly, my findings correspond a little with something forgetful mentioned in one of Chopra's books in the below thread:

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...1225#post11225

Chadley

Hi Lapis and Chadley,

This is an interesting discussion. Okay, firstly, Lapis, I do not necessarily distrust Clow's interpretation of the dimensions but I have never been the kind of person who believes anything without first comparing it with my own belief system. It is obvious to me that Clow's interpretation of the dimensions does fit in with your own belief system Lapis, however, after looking at a lot of what you have quoted from her book ( thanks for taking the time to do that Lapis ), I can honestly state that only some aspects of her interpretation fit in with my own.

Hence, due to Chadley's own take on the interpretation, it is quite easy for me also to say that this seems to be the case with many, many different belief systems. People take what they can and if it does not fit in with their own, then it gets discarded. This is perhaps the only way the analysis of belief systems can and should operate. After all, why should a person take on a belief if it does not sound right to them.

Now, like both yourself and Chadley, I also believe in this 4th dimension. However, I have always been under the impression that the Astral Level ( to give it another name ) is separated into two further sub-dimensions - the Lower and Higher Astral Plains. In the lower, I believe the more negatively based emotions such as hate, anger etc. reside. In the higher, I believe the more positive emotions such as conditional love, joy and happiness reside. I say conditional love because I believe that unconditional love is not an emotion per se but is in fact, a spiritual quality in that it is something that has to be cultivated rather than an emotion that comes naturally to human beings I find.

I seriously cannot comment as of yet on Clow's mentioning of alien races and their semantics as my level of experience as not encountered these areas and so she may or may not be correct.

One thing that I do have to disagree with to an extent with regards to Clows interpretation is that she states "....As you will see later, the higher dimensions become available once the 4D blocks are cleared. The higher dimensions cannot be accessed without resolving polarity in our bodies."

Now, as you may know, I have done mediumship readings over the internet for members before and many times, an observer or the the person I was reading for could state that I was quite good at this. However, I can honestly say that I have not resolved polarity in my body ( indeed, what does this truly mean? ). Still, to do a mediumship reading, one must have a direct connection to Spirit IMO and therefore I would be in contact with 'higher dimensions'. So, how can this be?

This is a great discussion and I look forward to talking about this more. Thank Lapis and Chadley for your contributions.

K.

Glory glory be, it feels like the Flame Thrower Ventriloquist Club reunion Part Two.

Doesn't it seem safe (and sane) to say that all of us and the authors of books on this whole subject are treading new ground now? I'm not terribly concerned at this point about older beliefs and/or teachings about the different dimensions, not saying they're incorrect, only that humanity in general is currently and rapidly evolving and that alone is changing what we've been able to understand, perceive, access dimensionally and personally experience etc. etc.

Even the great god 'science' is displaying it's evolution and expanding awareness now so why wouldn't everything that Seers perceive reflect humanitys spiritual growth and evolution also???

Black/White White/Black layered, sectioned, quartered, numbered, disected and back and forth just doesn't work for me personally because I've experienced good sized chunks of all that vast 'grey' out/in there to know a little better. I've repeatedly explained why I personally am drawn to Barbara Hand Clow's works so I won't repeat it yet again. I'm not selling anyones books or belief systems just presenting material that I personally trust and also to get certain discussions up and rolling. This is a huge and extrememly difficult subject no doubt about it and this may not be the place or time to even attempt to have an open discussion about slowly perceiving (some) different dimensions ourselves.

A "challange" isn't really much of one if we never get out of our old and familiar belief comfort zones and circles etc.

[chadley]

I agree, Lapis, I don't know who can really acurately map it out perfectly. If there is someone who has all these answers, let them come forward.

I will say, Kundalini, that I agree with your assessment of the astral. I do think it is layered into more than one dimension/plane/reality or whatever. I will tell you though, that there is a definite distinction between the astral and that of the ones above it which have been described as celestial and of the divine mind. These planes are NOT sub layers within the astral, but clearly above, beyond and higher than the astral. The astral, in my view, is most definitely the middle ground or cross over point as to where duality is born. I have heard the celestial planes also described as "soul" planes and wonder if they are one and the same. These levels of reality are difficult to describe with the human mind and a description itself, IMO is irrelevant because it really must be experienced to be understood and if you do experience it then you don't need it described.

It is important, however, that those who dabble with the astral eventually become aware that there are higher planes. Many who discover OBE's, lucid dreaming, and astral travel and so forth get caught up in it as if it holds all the answers only to find that the same delima still exists, to uncover the truth about self.

Chadley.