How much fruit can I eat?

[Rokazulu]

I have cut out all refined sugar from my diet.

But, I know fruits have natural sugar and I wonder what kind of effect it has if I eat too many fruits?

I know sugar is detrimental to overall health and we only need roughly 25g (or possibly less) every single day, but we know fruits are healthy because of the vitamins and minerals they contain.

I want to start eating a ton of dates so I can gain weight, but one date is 16g of sugar which is about all you really need for one day.

Right now I feel that no matter how much sugar I take in it won't really be all that detrimental to me, so long as I take it in from fruits, however I want to know your perspective at this time.

[Mused]

unless you're a walking skeleton, i don't see why would you want to gain weight.

i think you might be better searching for a dietitian, or health related forums for answers to your question.

in any case, you should know there are 3 somatic body types, and one of them simply cannot gain weight no matter how much the person eats, another types has a lot of troubles losing weight [i'm this one], and another one is in-between. i heard some people show characteristics from 2 of these types, but i assume they're more rare?

no matter the reason you want to gain some weight, you are better off to talk to a specialist. you can gain lots of fat or you could gain muscles - both will increase your weight, but you'll be looking different based on which option you choose. [i'd go with the muscle weight gain and not the fat one, as that can affect the health in many negative ways].

take care of yourself. and good luck.

[Rokazulu]

Originally Posted by Mused

unless you're a walking skeleton, i don't see why would you want to gain weight.

in any case, you should know there are 3 somatic body types, and one of them simply cannot gain weight no matter how much the person eats,

Yeah, I'm 5'7" and weigh only 115 pounds, which is nearly skelly level. I am going to do a lot of muscle training because it sounds fun.

Setting that to the side for a moment, what can you tell me about fruit sugars?

[innerlight]

There are no studies that have shown fruit causes spikes to blood sugar the same way artificial sugar does. Regardless of how much fruit was consumed during the studies.

I myself eat a ton of fruit. I mean A ton. Most days I will eat an entire bag of grapes. As well a pineapple and other fruit depending on how I feel. On recent blood work that I had done, back in April, my glucose was at 103. Which is within healthy ranges.

If you want to gain weight, up your calorie intake. As well as add in healthy fats, such as nuts. Peanut butter can help.

[Rokazulu]

Originally Posted by innerlight

There are no studies that have shown fruit causes spikes to blood sugar the same way artificial sugar does. Regardless of how much fruit was consumed during the studies.

I myself eat a ton of fruit. I mean A ton. Most days I will eat an entire bag of grapes. As well a pineapple and other fruit depending on how I feel. On recent blood work that I had done, back in April, my glucose was at 103. Which is within healthy ranges.

If you want to gain weight, up your calorie intake. As well as add in healthy fats, such as nuts. Peanut butter can help.

Yeah, I feel natural sugar doesn't ever effect me negatively, but if I have added refined sugar I'll get acne and my stomach will always feel upset.

Thanks for your post! I will up my calorie intake.

[innerlight]

Originally Posted by Rokazulu

Yeah, I feel natural sugar doesn't ever effect me negatively, but if I have added refined sugar I'll get acne and my stomach will always feel upset.

Thanks for your post! I will up my calorie intake.

Yeah, I have not noticed a difference other than if I eat a ton of like water based fruit, such as grapes, I will use the bathroom more. But no other issues with it. My last blood work all came back really good.

If your diet is mostly just fruits and veggies, it may be hard to gain weight. As both of those are not really calorie heavy.

[baro-san]

Originally Posted by innerlight

There are no studies that have shown fruit causes spikes to blood sugar the same way artificial sugar does. Regardless of how much fruit was consumed during the studies.

I myself eat a ton of fruit. I mean A ton. Most days I will eat an entire bag of grapes. As well a pineapple and other fruit depending on how I feel. On recent blood work that I had done, back in April, my glucose was at 103. Which is within healthy ranges.

If you want to gain weight, up your calorie intake. As well as add in healthy fats, such as nuts. Peanut butter can help.

From what I know, your post gives bad advice: fructose is worse among simple sugars, and feeds all degenerative diseases, as studies show.

Read this:

How Fructose Metabolism Gives Rise to Metabolic Syndrome and Obesity

A summary of fructose metabolism is as follows:

•Every cell in your body utilizes glucose. Therefore, much of it is "burned up" immediately after you consume it. When you consume glucose, your liver only has to break down 20 percent of it.

By contrast, cells don’t use fructose for energy, so 100 percent of the fructose you eat is metabolized in your liver. Your liver is the only organ equipped with a fructose transporter, called GLUT5. Rather than being used as a quick energy source, fructose is turned into free fatty acids (FFAs), very-low-density lipoprotein (VLDL, the damaging form of cholesterol), and triglycerides, which are then stored as body fat.

When you eat 120 calories of glucose, less than one calorie is stored as fat; 120 calories of fructose results in 40 calories being stored as fat.

•Fructose metabolism is very similar to ethanol metabolism, which has a multitude of toxic effects. The fatty acids created during fructose metabolism accumulate as fat droplets in your liver and skeletal muscle tissues, causing insulin resistance and NAFLD.

As your body becomes increasingly resistant to insulin, your pancreas keeps releasing ever higher amounts of insulin in an effort to curb your rising blood sugar levels. Eventually, your pancreas loses the battle; your blood sugar levels keep rising, and you end up with metabolic syndrome and full-blown diabetes.

•Fructose is the most lipophilic carbohydrate. In other words, fructose converts to activated glycerol (g-3-p), which is directly used to turn FFAs into triglycerides. The more g-3-p you have, the more fat you store. Glucose does not do this.

•The metabolism of fructose by your liver creates a long list of waste products and toxins, including a large amount of uric acid, which drives up blood pressure and causes gout.

•Glucose suppresses the hunger hormone ghrelin and stimulates leptin, which suppresses your appetite. Fructose, on the other hand, does not appropriately stimulate insulin, which in turn fails to suppress ghrelin (the "hunger hormone") and blocks leptin signaling (the "satiety hormone"). The end result is overeating and insulin resistance. In short, fructose tricks your body into gaining weight by turning off your body's natural appetite-control system.

[innerlight]

Originally Posted by baro-san

From what I know, your post gives bad advice: fructose is worse among simple sugars, and feeds all degenerative diseases, as studies show.

Read this:

I did go on to mention what you did about fructose being an issue, in a later reply.

However in my original reply I was speaking on studies I have read, and have shared my experience. I should however, had made a disclaimer to of course speak with a trained dietician and not someone you hear from on a forum. That would really be detrimental to ones health.

And anything, as they say, should be consumed in moderation.

Fruits vs. Fructose

The studies from Teff and Stanhope's groups involved fructose-sweetened beverages, not on the effects of eating whole fruit in a naturally-occurring form. Fortunately, other researchers have begun looking at the short- and long-term effects of eating whole fruit.
...fruit consumption may protect against the development of diabetes.


From a long-term, population-based perspective, fruit consumption may protect against the development of diabetes. In a British study of 5,996 people not known to have diabetes, those reporting eating fruit five or more times per week had a slightly lower hemoglobin A1c (5.33% vs. 5.43%).4 While just a small difference, it was nonetheless statistically significant, and suggests overall fruit consumption may have some protective effect against the development of type 2 diabetes, although it could be that fruit consumption was otherwise linked to other healthy behaviors and fruit has no direct effect. A meta-analysis of similar epidemiologic studies sought to examine the relationship between fruit consumption and the development of type 2 diabetes. These researchers found a non-significant trend toward reduced rates of diabetes among those with the highest fruit consumption, though the researchers noted a high degree of variability in the study making it difficult to draw firm conclusions.5 (The protective effects of green, leafy vegetables were much clearer in this analysis, so don’t forget to eat more kale.)
....benefits in the low-GI fruit group [may include] a reduction in blood sugar...an increase in healthy HDL cholesterol...and a reduction in blood pressure...

[Silver]

If you're a diabetic, you do have to be careful of certain fruits (I learned that years ago when I first was diagnosed as being a diabetic) and once you learn by trial and error which fruits affect you worse for raising blood-sugar readings, you go from there.

Watermelon was killer, same with strawberries. (My own personal study)

Now, what I do is stop at a Mexican fruit vendor and get a mixed bowl with 3 different kinds of melon, a little pineapple, mango and orange with lime juice and a little chili powder. Very satisfying dessert.

[innerlight]

Originally Posted by Silver

If you're a diabetic, you do have to be careful of certain fruits (I learned that years ago when I first was diagnosed as being a diabetic) and once you learn by trial and error which fruits affect you worse for raising blood-sugar readings, you go from there.

Watermelon was killer, same with strawberries. (My own personal study)

Now, what I do is stop at a Mexican fruit vendor and get a mixed bowl with 3 different kinds of melon, a little pineapple, mango and orange with lime juice and a little chili powder. Very satisfying dessert.

I am guessing that is from experimentation of various fruits over the years as a diabetic that you noticed the difference in raising blood-sugar levels? I think it comes down to a certain type of sugar that is more abundant in some fruits. It might be fructose? I've never noticed the difference, but then, I am not diabetic, so I can not say for sure.

I did recently read an article about a study with mice, and how intermittent fasting has been shown to help the pancreas regenerate itself to help with insulin production again.