The Nine Veils that Shroud the Human Soul

[Being]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

And no I didn't class you as a doubter, my focus was more on Being, not you.

To various degrees & in various ways people are stuck in the collective unconscious - the collective/shared consensus reality. imo.

That informs them of what is/isn't possible & how 'reality' is.

Think it's very debatable how many people are genuinely really free of that to any degree? As per the OP.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Oh dear. Sorry to have caused you the necessity of a reply.

I know - since I can't edit/blot out my post, let's wind the tape back to the start, eh?

denilced dna dereffo gnieb saw tahw ni eulav eht ees did I .detouq snosaer lareves eht rof gniht eht dessimsid I ecnis ressimsid a naht rehtar retbuod a sa em dessalc uoy tcepsus I .yllaer toN ?eussi nA

There. That's better.
Phew!

No necessity, I wanted too, to reply that is.

Your rather amusing of late and each to there own of course.

Originally Posted by Being

i don't know? Personally i don't see a very civilised/humane/advanced society/culture - i think it's by & large a barbaric mess.

Some days i feel more optimistic than others - & see more good than other days, but largely i don't. i think we are in an Age of Darkness. What transpires is anyone's guess - But i think it will take many decades/centuries for a more fundamental shift to something genuinely better.

I go along with you there. If you regard power as the ability to control resources, any government/leader that gets into power faces increasingly difficult problems of controlling the populace at large to favour the elite it supports so personal freedom gets increasingly curtailed.

It's highly likely that spiritual freedom will be curtailed (as is sporadically the case). If so we could enter an even darker age.

I don't hold out much hope for humanity. The tech gets higher, the toys more expensive, the killing machines more efficient - but human nature hasn't changed throughout recorded history.

Perhaps whatever succeeds humanity in the evolutionary line will fare better.... if there's an ecology left to support it.

I've encountered plenty of optimists here with the laudable aim of turning Earth into Utopia by way of love. One wishes they had the magic wand to do so. They've also been trying across recorded history but the wealthy few (the vampyrric elite that feeds off the labours of the masses) won't let them.

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[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by Being

To various degrees & in various ways people are stuck in the collective unconscious - the collective/shared consensus reality. imo.

It often happens yes.

That informs them of what is/isn't possible & how 'reality' is.


Seeing it all as possibility, helps to not only see how reality is, but see the potential of how reality can be in that inclusion of how it is as one whole source

Think it's very debatable how many people are genuinely really free of that to any degree? As per the OP.

Who knows? Is it important to know these things?

[Being]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

I go along with you there. If you regard power as the ability to control resources, any government/leader that gets into power faces increasingly difficult problems of controlling the populace at large to favour the elite it supports so personal freedom gets increasingly curtailed.

It's highly likely that spiritual freedom will be curtailed (as is sporadically the case). If so we could enter an even darker age.

I don't hold out much hope for humanity. The tech gets higher, the toys more expensive, the killing machines more efficient - but human nature hasn't changed throughout recorded history.

Perhaps whatever succeeds humanity in the evolutionary line will fare better.... if there's an ecology left to support it.

I've encountered plenty of optimists here with the laudable aim of turning Earth into Utopia by way of love. One wishes they had the magic wand to do so. They've also been trying across recorded history but the wealthy few (the vampyrric elite that feeds off the labours of the masses) won't let them.

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i'd debate how much/what is human nature, & how much for examples is systemic - But other than that i concur - We're f'ed as a species on this planet imo. At the very least the days of this Civilisation are numbered.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by Being

i'd debate how much/what is human nature, & how much for examples is systemic - But other than that i concur - We're f'ed as a species on this planet imo. At the very least the days of this Civilisation are numbered.

2106 =9 cycle which often indicates major endings/new beginnings in the greater reality.

*being* a 9 life path myself, I understand the individual nature of this and the greater as one whole source.

So hold onto your pants.

[Sevenofthrees]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

I go along with you there. If you regard power as the ability to control resources, any government/leader that gets into power faces increasingly difficult problems of controlling the populace at large to favour the elite it supports so personal freedom gets increasingly curtailed.

It's highly likely that spiritual freedom will be curtailed (as is sporadically the case). If so we could enter an even darker age.

I don't hold out much hope for humanity. The tech gets higher, the toys more expensive, the killing machines more efficient - but human nature hasn't changed throughout recorded history.

Perhaps whatever succeeds humanity in the evolutionary line will fare better.... if there's an ecology left to support it.

I've encountered plenty of optimists here with the laudable aim of turning Earth into Utopia by way of love. One wishes they had the magic wand to do so. They've also been trying across recorded history but the wealthy few (the vampyrric elite that feeds off the labours of the masses) won't let them.

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Aren't you a master? Then shouldn't you understand what "love" really is and how we are all "magic wands"? And how to actually "spread" that "love"? A few people can make a difference when they understand the dynamic here. Even one person can make a difference.

Originally Posted by Sevenofthrees

Aren't you a master? Then shouldn't you understand what "love" really is and how we are all "magic wands"? And how to actually "spread" that "love"? A few people can make a difference when they understand the dynamic here. Even one person can make a difference.

LOL. At the time I reached my 1000th post I declared here I did not want to be called Master - because I'm not one. Sorceress, yes, master, nn-nn.

But it is the mark of an adept, to me, to comprehend the actual world situation and to work within its practicalities. The practicality is that there's one or more elites in the world that command huge resources to run the world as they want. (There was a New Scientist article somewhen back that listed 50 of the 147 "interconnected" companies that run the world. If you're interested, here's the link:)
https://www.newscientist.com/article...uns-the-world/

Ok, the study is open to much criticism but it's close to the mark.

If some spiritual movement threatens them it goes to the wall.

The adept does what he can but knows that love (which is hopelessly difficult to co-ordinate across about 8 billion people, with most westerners not in the "spiritual" scene, as Being declares, and those who are, all have personally and culturally different ideas of what "love" is).

So it's a wonderful ideal - but that's all it can be until some sudden explosion ruptures the establishment.

It could happen. Capitalism is ultimately dependent on manufactured goods (finance is just a conduit to me). But the way industry's going - automation taking over just about every field of human endeavour to increase profits/reduce costs, the amount of human work, hence earning power, diminishes by the day. If people aren't working, they can't earn, so they can't buy the goods that provide the profits. So the system could just collapse.

So perhaps there'll come a day when your hopes could be realised. Until then we, adepts or not, do our best....by avoiding materialism, planned obsolescence, avoid addiction to gadgets purveyed by profit-greedy techno firms, refuse to be served by machines, pile costs on the establishment as long as it doesn't put others under threat, show others the value of peace and freedom from money more than necessary to survive; do charitable acts. Help people find their understanding of love, when possible, and whatever that might be that isn't carnal or worship-based.

And, of course, work our magic on preternatural planes.

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[Being]

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Published on 19 Jul 2014

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