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Old 26-04-2019, 08:44 AM
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The Garden Of Eden (Lobsang Rampa)

This is the answer from Lobsang Rampa about the garden of eden.I think it's worth to read.

QUESTION: DO you believe in the story of the Garden of
Eden? Write to me and tell me what you think the Garden of
Eden really means.

ANSWER: In the answer to the question above I blithely
stated that we were finished with the Bible for the time being.
Well, we have to open it again to answer this question which
is, do I believe the tale about the Garden of Eden, do I believe
about the Fall of Adam and Eve, and that it was caused by
their new-found interest in the difference between each other's
bodies. In other words, as I read the question, do I think that
sex has been the ruination of mankind. No, of course I do not.
I think all that is rubbish. In the time of Pope Gregory, often
referred to as Pope Gregory the Great, the vast Palatine
Library containing many of the original manuscripts was destroyed.

Some of the manuscripts were original papyri, and
they went back to almost the date of the start of Christianity.
The Library was destroyed. The Pope of those days thought
that men were learning too much, and if men learned more
than the priests wanted them to know they would be a danger
to the priests in that they would be asking questions which the
priests found it difficult to answer.

Pope Gregory thought that men should start out again without
benefit of the writings of other people. He also had an idea
that the moment was opportune to rewrite the history of
Christianity and edit it in such a way that the power of the
priests was not diminished. So the Libraries were burned,
priceless manuscripts were lost to the average man and
woman. Some of those manuscripts in duplicate form had been
hidden in caves in other parts of the world, but to those who
can read the Akashic Record all manuscripts, all knowledge, is
always available.

In the case of Adam and Eve we must remember that so called
‘original sin’ was not sex, it was not anything at all to do
with the physical body but was an abstract thing. The original
sin was pride, false pride, an inferior people setting up as the
equal of the Gods. Man and, of course, Woman, thought that
they were the equal of the Gods and so they rebelled against
the Gods. The Garden of Eden was the young Earth, the Earth
which was only then becoming fitted to be the home of a new
race, the race of Man. You will appreciate that there have been
many races upon the Earth, many forms of life.
Before Man as we know him now appeared on this Earth
there was another race similar to Man, not shaggy apes as has
been popularly supposed, but a completely different type of
person upon completely different continents of the Earth, continents which have long sunk beneath the surface of the ocean
so that other continents could rise, and other nations rise with
them.
These people were different. They had somewhat different
anatomical features which we need not go into on this occasion.
Their skin was purple, and they were rather larger and
rather taller than humans of the present day. These people
were intelligent, too intelligent for their own good, perhaps,
and they were the ones who lived in the so-called Garden of
Eden.

According to ancient records Earth is a colony, a colony
which was populated by people from far beyond this Universe.
At the time of the Garden of Eden some of the people—the
Overseers—came to this Earth to supervise the new race of
Man, the purple people, and the Overseers were giants according
to Man's perceptions. They were, in fact, half as big again
as the people of the Earth, and so we have a racial memory of
the days when Gods, giants, walked upon the Earth.
The Overseers who, after all, were only humans of a different
kind, fraternized rather too freely with the purple people of
the Earth, they became altogether too friendly, and the inferior
people of the Earth had inflated ideas of their own importance;
they thought that if the Gods associated with them they
must be wonderful. And so they were impressed with the
strange, strange weapons and devices of the Gods, they were
impressed with the boxes which showed pictures and produced
voices and music out of the air, and they plotted and schemed
whereby they could overthrow the Gods, the Overseers, and
obtain those devices for themselves.
Strange vehicles known as the Chariots of the Gods flamed
across the sky by day and by night. The Gods were busy seeing
about the new Earth, seeing about the welfare of the
people of the new Earth, but they still had time to fraternize
with the people.

A scheme was concocted whereby one young lady who was
particularly attractive to the Overseers should make herself
even more attractive to one particular Overseer. And the plan
was that while the Gods were otherwise engaged, one might
say, the men would kill the Gods.
The Gods became aware of the plot, they became aware that
mankind was very, very faulty, they became aware that mankind
had treacherous thoughts, lusted after power, had pride,false pride. And so mankind was driven away from that parucularly
pleasant spot; in other words, they were driven out of
the Garden of Eden by angels with flaming swords. Now just
think, supposing a savage who had never seen a jet plane saw
one of these things going across the sky roaring like a blowtorch,
wouldn't it be a Chariot of the Gods? Supposing he saw
a gun which was being fired, he saw smoke and perhaps a bit
of flame coming out of the barrel, couldn't that be a flaming
sword? He would have to call it something, and he wouldn't
know about revolvers; a flaming sword is good enough—it got
down through the history books, and all that.

In the course of time the natural evolution of the Earth
caused earthquakes and tremors, caused continents to sink and
continents to rise. Most of the people of the Earth were destroyed
in various catastrophes and calamities, but certain
people were refugees and they escaped to high land. Certain of
them, in fact, live on through their racial memories. For instance,
have you ever seen a native of darkest Africa who was
not black but almost a purplish-black? Think of that. You will
agree that there are already at least three races on this Earth,
the black people, the yellow people, and the white people.
They are three different races, and there is quite a lot of discord
among them, a racial discord, as if each one thinks that
the other one is an intruder.

So we come back to the Garden of Eden, and we find that
when the Gods walked upon the Earth they were kind and
considerate. They were not Gods, of course, but the Overseers
from right out of this Universe. Humans tried to take advantage
of them, and the original sin of humans was not sex,
which is a natural function of humans, but pride and rebellion.
Of course the Church in the time of Pope Gregory and, in
fact, many times in the Church's history, had a great phobia
against sex. They had no phobia against pride. So because it
suited their purpose, they said that the Fall of Man was
through Woman, the Fall of Man was because Woman
tempted him with sex, Woman was the sinner, the temptress,
the offender every time.
There is nothing in the Bible, nor in true Christian belief,
which supports the statement that Man's fall was through sex.
Christ himself was never opposed to women, He never thought
that Woman was an inferior creature to be treated as a dog or worse.

St. Augustine and many others took advantage of the rewriting
of the Bible to preach even more and more violently
against sex. Augustine was one of those who was terribly, terribly
opposed to sex even in marriage. It is perhaps worth a
thought here that there is no greater opponent of drink than
the reformed drunkard, there is no greater opponent of vice, socalled,
than the person who has been reformed from vice.
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Old 26-04-2019, 09:49 PM
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Interesting. One of Rampa's books appeared during a turnout. It seemed interesting in anticipating some of the new age stuff today but was published in 1960 or thereabouts. You Forever, I recollect and lo! It's available today.
I understand that he was done as fraudulent, all based on his daily life and occupation but no one seemed to have any proof. I look at some of today's "channelled" writings and assume they could be declared fraudulent on the same basis. Fact is, there is no proof one way or another unless obvious flaws show up.
I wasn't over-keen to read more of his books but I asked in our local (esoteric) bookshop a few years back and they said his books don't turn up often.

One thing was clear, no matter about his background, he was learned and pretty wise, an eloquent writer.

I doubt I could persuade myself to believe the Eden story you quoted but I'm well aware of how the Church treated anything that stood in its way. It somehow knew that by issuing prohibitions against sex it was messing about with people's basic drives - and that turned out good for business.
Rampa had that right and it probably caused it quite some discomfort back then. I've since looked up his history on line and, from a spiritual angle, his investigators proved nothing because there's nothing to prove. It did wreck his reputation all the same and probably why his books were out of print until quite recently.
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Old 26-04-2019, 11:37 PM
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I managed to pick up most of the Lobsang Rampa books very cheaply years ago. They contain a lot of information, some of which may be questionable. But occasionally I come across identical information from a completely different source, so perhaps Rampa's descriptions are valid.

He was dismissed as a fraud when he was discovered to be a British plumber, but I can accept that an advanced Tibetan lama can take over the body of someone else with that person's agreement. Stranger things have happened. One of the books (The Rampa Story?) describes the background to all this.

Peace.
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Old 27-04-2019, 04:51 AM
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I prefer to dis the writings instead of the author's identity.
I'm not saying this for you,but people seems to care most about the identity of the writter,instead of his work.

And i remember he was stating that the media and the press were after him for the obvious reasons.
You can imagine the consequences of writting stuff like the above in the 1960s
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Old 27-04-2019, 03:06 PM
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And one other thing that crossed my mind when i saw his answer about the garden of eden,was about the blue skinned gods of the hinduism.
Maybe they were indeed an ancient race and not gods.(just a thought).
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